Talk:उदजन

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The word for "hydrogen" in Sanskrit. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 15:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I only don't feel comfortable with the transliteration. Sanskrit, unlike Hindi, Marathi, Nepali, etc. doesn't chop the inherent vowel "a" at the end of syllables or words. I think it should be "udajana", not "udjan". Devanagari was made for Sanskrit, so there is more letter to sound correspondence. Also, we don't have rules here for Sanskrit, so I don't know if the entry should end in a visarga: ः or without it. I found a single occurrence of this spelling: उदजनः (udajanaḥ) (looks like a personal Dutch-Sanskrit glossary). --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

We don't have rules, but we have precedents. The great majority of our Sanskrit nouns are listed by root, not by nominative singular, so उदजन (if it exists in Sanskrit at all—and it's not in Monier-Williams, which is the most comprehensive Sanskrit dictionary out there) is the correct lemma, while उदजनः would be {{nominative of|उदजन|lang=sa}}. —Angr 05:34, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Would it be correct to display head=उदजनः as is often the case in Wikipedia articles or Sanskrit glossaries? For existence I would put Sanskrit into a group of languages with little documentation where CFI rules are relaxed. Modern terminology exists but it's limited to those who still use Sanskrit these days. Anyway, keep as per CodeCat in the section above. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I personally wouldn't display head=उदजनः since the visarga isn't just a pedogogical aid like macrons in Latin and Old English are; उदजनः is actually phonemically and graphemically distinct from उदजन. For example, the nominative singular जनः (to switch to a genuinely attested Sanskrit word) does actually show up as जन when the next word starts with a vowel because of external sandhi. —Angr 09:12, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

It's been four and a half months. I'm content to give this another few weeks before deleting it. It can always be restored if someone does come along with citations. - -sche (discuss) 00:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleted. bd2412 T 00:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)