Talk:cabáiste

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cabáiste#Etymology

While searching for Kumst, I found words like Russian капуста (kapústa), Latvian kāposti, Georgian კომბოსტო (ḳombosṭo), Hungarian káposzta, Tatar кәбестә (käbestä), the etymology at kapusta (from Proto-Slavic *kǫpus(ta)) looks better to me. --80.114.178.7 23:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

The change of English/Anglo-Norman /dʒ/ to /ʃtʲ/ in perfectly regular in Irish; there are dozens of words where it happened. And considering the languages Irish has been in contact with, a borrowing from English/Anglo-Norman is way more likely than a borrowing from Slavic. —Angr 23:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I am not assuming Irish borrowed from Slavic, I'm assuming Irish and English/Anglo-Norman borrowed the same Wanderwort from Latin. --80.114.178.7 23:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Irish borrowings from Latin directly tended to be much earlier: Old and Middle Irish. Cabáiste doesn't seem to show up that early, but instead much later when borrowing from Anglo-Norman or English directly is much more plausible. It also fits phonetically with such an etymology. DIL (Gregory Toner, Sharon Arbuthnot, Máire Ní Mhaonaigh, Marie-Luise Theuerkauf, Dagmar Wodtko, editors (2019), “cabáiste”, in eDIL: Electronic Dictionary of the Irish Language) just says "Engl. loanword". --Catsidhe ^{(verba, facta)} 07:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't forget that Proto-Slavic isn't all that ancient. The Proto-Slavic form could be a borrowing from Latin. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Not rfv material as no definition is being called into question. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

What about {{rfv-etymology}} then? —CodeCat 14:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Spot on. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:39, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

The descriptions at kupus/купус say that Proto-Slavic *kǫpus(ta) is taken from Latin composita. I should have mentioned those links before, my apologies, I thought all links to it mentioned the Latin source. --80.114.178.7 19:00, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Closed. Not an RFV. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 05:03, 20 September 2013 (UTC)