Talk:huckle

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Rfv-sense "(Geordie, pejorative) A homosexual man." I haven't RFVed Geordie terms before because I haven't wanted to 'pick on' dialects, but Wiktionarians have deleted many dialectal terms by Top Cat 14 (talk • contribs) because they were found not to meet CFI. - -sche (discuss) 02:04, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It's used by a Geordie character in the BBC sitcom Auf Wiedersehen, Pet, (2002, "Bridge Over Troubled Waters", Auf Wiedersehen, Pet: "He’s not! He can’t be! There's never been a huckle in the Osbourne family and we can trace our lineage all the way back to the Second World War."), but there don't seem to be any useful results in books or Usenet. There're quite a few uses on Newcastle FC blogs/forums, but I imagine they won't be considered durably archived. Smurrayinchester (talk) 07:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I believe that the definition was added to insult somebody with that last name. It is my last name and I don't want this dictionary to decide that my last name means a "homosexual man". There is not a single other dictionary that is so crude as to claim that my name means a homosexual man. I have never met a person with the name Huckle that was a homosexual. It is entirely ridiculous to have all the people named Huckle change their last name. How would you like it if people voted to make your family name mean something that was off color. Just because one crude person decides to use somebodies name in a rude way doesn't make it a new definition for a word. Otherwise I'd be able to make the name of everybody who I don't appreciate something crude on this site. But I'd probably be sued for that action.

Yeah, how would all the people feel if Dick suddenly meant something crude.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:01, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The purpose of this exercise is the find out if there really are people out there really using this word in that way. If someone just made this up, it will fail the Request For Verification and the entry will be deleted. Unfortunately, we are a descriptive dictionary, so we have to tell about the words people actually use, and the meanings they actually give to them. Human nature being what it is, there are some really awful words out there, and other, perfectly good, words that are given really bad meanings. We can't tell people what they can and can't say- we can only document what's really out there. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:16, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Plenty of dictionaries of Geordie slang (i.e. slang used in and around the British town of Newcastle-upon-Tyne) already include "huckle" meaning homosexual. It does seem to be in fairly wide use in the town (wide enough that it was used in a popular sitcom broadcast nationwide) - we're not voting to make "huckle" mean "gay man", we're trying to find evidence that this has already happened. No-one is suggesting that everyone called "Huckle" is gay, or that all Huckles should change their last name, any more than Dick van Dyke or Tyson Gay have to (and it's unlikely the word will ever be used outside North East England. On the topic of citing this word, incidentally, can I simply point to the Google Groups search for "a huckle" + newcastle and say it's clearly in fairly widespread use in Newcastle even if, being a word that is very localised and apparently quite offensive, it hasn't been used in print much? Smurrayinchester (talk) 08:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

(Incidentally, I don't think it was done to insult anyone called Huckle - "huckle" seems to have been an old word for a small hook ("huck" being an old or dialectal pronunciation, and -le meaning something small), and more generally a term for things that are bent (Google books for instance has plenty of books that use "huckle-back" to mean "hunchback"). "bent" is still a fairly common insult for gay people in the UK, and it seems like this is how huckle came to mean gay.) Smurrayinchester (talk) 14:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

You got it, I can see that this dictionary is full of shit, so as a Huckle, who uses many words that I claim to know the definition of and are used by all "huckles" to describe objects and places, I'll redefine the hell out of this bullshit dictionary. Common words I enjoy using with made up definitions include: George Bush, Cheney, Tony Blair, Queen Elizabeth, Murray, Chuck, Entz, Geordie, Newcastle, and British. An example I say something like : Another George Bush wannabee colluded with a Cheney to blair the heck out of a Queen Elizabeth who loved Murrays to chuck entz into a gerodies newcastle British style. I'll start redefining those words immediately. You welcome you bunch of British Murrays.

This will fail RFV unless two more citations are provided. Yes, Geordie is a small dialect and finding citations is hard... but isn't that an indication of the relative unimportance of having Geordie terms in the main namespace? "A term should be included if it's likely that someone would run across it and want to know what it means." If someone will only run across it in that one show, and not in two other places... - -sche (discuss) 22:08, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Can this be used as a cite? Not from the UK myself, but the area seems right (based on a quick check of Wikipedia), and the context fits. Astral (talk) 00:58, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, that's two. Can we find one more? - -sche (discuss) 07:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

RFV-failed for now (or what are CFI for?). - -sche (discuss) 06:45, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Very surprised this failed, I live in Northumberland and huckle is the most commonly used term meaning homosexual or wrong 'un for over 30 years.

To the lad above - you're name isnt really Richard Huckle?

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S Murray managed to find a third citation (our Criteria for Inclusion require three citations of use) and re-added the sense back in January. Cheers, - -sche (discuss) 23:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

DF - my pals and I (all aged 40-50) have used huckle all our adult lives. None of us has a clue as to it's origin. We're all from Tyneside.

To "huckle" means to fool a group (or various groups) of people into believing you are studying or merely working in a certain profession in order to help others within a community, when in reality you are just in it for your own interests and to eventually harm others. This can often include sexually perverted criminal acts against others who are classed as vulnerable. Huckling is an extremely serious crime which in itself can land you with a minimum 25 year prison sentence without parole in the US.

"Freddy huckled his way into being a school teacher, when we all know the real reason he wanted that job. He had a good education in maths and what with his sick perverted devious mind, was therefore good at huckling."

"Never a huckler be, and anyone who huckles in this world will never be a friend of mine. The sheer amount of innocent victims who have been huckled by those high in authority makes me feel sick. A huckler caught huckling deserves everything they get."

Any possible relation to hough?

Perhaps the current pronunciation of hough (with [k] rather than [f] or diphthongization) was influenced by huck(le)? 195.187.108.4 17:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)