Talk:lung sounds

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breath sounds

Sum of parts. Should be singular. SemperBlotto 07:04, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

keep. Almost all the quotes I can find are related to medicine. Not much use of it outside the medical sphere. --Robert Hunt 10:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

That's not necessarily a reason, is it? I mean as long as you can look up breath and sound and have the appropriate meanings, this isn't needed. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:04, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete. Another case of covering up an obvious sum-of-parts by using fancy descriptions in the definition (auscultation). It's only the sounds of breath. Equinox ◑ 14:51, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

keep this is a medical term used heavily, look in any emt, paramedic, or nursing book.Gtroy 18:29, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete per Equinox. - -sche (discuss) 21:10, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Our definition says these sounds can be found using auscultation only. Is that true: that (in the (medicine) context) breath sounds cannot mean sounds of the breath heard from without the body? If so, keep.​—msh210℠ (talk) 03:50, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Auscultation just says "usually using a stethoscope", it doesn't say that such sounds cannot be heard without one. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:33, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Breath sounds certainly can sometimes be heard from outside the body. Stridor, for example, can often be heard from several feet away, and is still considered a "breath sound". (Of course, listening for breath sounds involves auscultation — you can't just stand several feet away and say that you listened for stridor ;-) — but "breath sounds" itself covers all such sounds.) —Ruakh_TALK 16:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Delete.​—msh210℠ (talk) 17:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Only stridor and wheezing can be heard without a stethoscopeGtroy 21:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't a wine glass serve the same purpose in a quiet environment? Anyway, breath sound as a sum of parts (or as a "pseudo-term") is not restricted to stethoscope monitoring. A microphone and amplifier would serve the same purpose in a noisy environment (though doctors don't usually carry these). Dbfirs 16:04, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

deleted -- Liliana • 07:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

lung sounds

As above? - -sche (discuss) 22:39, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd say delete this... sounds made by the lungs. — [Ric Laurent] — 20:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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lung sounds

So this term is a word used to describe a specific criteria of named medical signs that include stridor, wheezing, rales, but not any sounds produced by the respiratory system such as talking, howling, laughing, burping, coughing, whistling. I need better citations to show this fact.Lucifer (talk) 19:19, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I can't actually find the deletion debate. Anyway Luciferwildcat, in my opinion having made slow but real progress over the last year (or whatever) you've taken a big step backwards. You defined it by how it is used, not what it is:

A component of vital signs used to auscultate for the presence and equality of normal, rales, stridor, wheezing, or rhonchi sounds of a patient's respiratory system from their lung fields.

I gave the example a few months ago of defining television as "what I'm watching right now". Your edit above is definitionless hence qualifies for speedy deletion. I don't know where the deletion debate is, but I suspect lung sounds are just sounds made by the lungs. The fact that a medical professional might interpret them differently to me doesn't change the definition. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:50, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

No they are not. Sneezing is not a lung sound. Nor is talking or crying. It is a set criteria of particular sounds that are checked for. I did not define it by how "it's used" I defined what sounds are lung sounds not how one would use them.Lucifer (talk) 08:22, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Wiktionary need serve as a glossary to "2010, American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons, Emergency Care and Transport of the Sick and Injured, 10th Edition". Dbfirs 18:08, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Really, so the international standards for vital signs should not be treated seriously?Lucifer (talk) 10:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Obviously American, British and international standards should be treated seriously, but this is a dictionary, not a glossary. Wikipedia has the appropriate article. Dbfirs 11:58, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Deleted by Msh210. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 11:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

RFD discussion 3

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Lung sounds should not be deleted because they are not any sound created by lungs. Whistling or sneezing are sounds made by the lungs, but only a very set criteria of symptoms and signs meet the specific medical definition of lung sounds. See the wikipedia article w:respiratory sounds.— This comment was unsigned.

IFYPFY.​—msh210℠ (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

This is a request for restoration, and I say don't restore. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:50, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Why though? If whistling or sneezing is not a lung sound then lung sounds are not an sop are they?Lucifer (talk) 06:55, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Whistling is a sound created by the teeth and lips (or sometimes in the trachea), and the sneezing sound is created in the throat and nose, using air from the lungs, but these are not sounds directly created by or in the lungs. Lung sounds are just sounds that are created in the lungs. Dbfirs 07:49, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Remains deleted. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 07:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)