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pluto

The neologism verb "pluto". The Dialect Society's efforts to promote this word and itself seems to have failed. The uses are almost entirely references to the Dialect Society press release. "plutoing" and "plutoed" uses are rare. It is tedious to try to extract "to pluto" and "plutos" uses from the "to Pluto" and "Plutos" uses. I hope someone has some good ideas for how to verify this. DCDuring 17:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

We've already discussed this one. --EncycloPetey 21:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh. When? How can I get a look? Was it determined that it didn't need citations? Is there some index where I could look for discussions of a given page? DCDuring 22:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

This entry was only created a month ago. DCDuring 22:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It was around a lot longer under Pluto but got moved a month ago. sewnmouthsecret 22:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, DCD may be right. I thought I remembered this being discussed back when Pluto was first demoted, but I could be wrong. I can't find evidence of the discussion I thought I remembered. --EncycloPetey 22:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I saw a discussion about how to handle the plutoing of Pluto; I didn't find one about the new verb, although I would be surprised if it didn't come up among such a distinguished group of language mavens. In Jan. 2007 the American Dialect Society selected "plutoed" to be their word of the year [1]. (I had thought it was earlier.) It hasn't gotten too much use yet, as charming as it may be. But it may be that I don't know how to look creatively enough. It would have to be in Groups and News, because book and scholarly articles still take a while to get into print. DCDuring 04:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

• Note: plutoed, plutoing, plutos, Plutos, Plutoing, Plutoed all need to be deleted with this. (Move to WT:LOP; passing fad that didn't stick.) --Connel MacKenzie 18:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I've found a citation.

Maxwell, Kerry. "Word of the Week Archive: Pluto." 10 Jan 2007 03 Mar 2008 <http://www.macmillandictionary.com/New-Words/070312-pluto.htm>.

I can produce others, if you'd like. Teh Rote 22:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yup, we need at least three uses of the word — actual uses, mind, not just someone mentioning the word or defining it — spread over at least a full year. —Ruakh_TALK 02:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Tea room discussion

Note: the below discussion was moved from the Wiktionary:Tea room.

Upon scouring Google News, I found two results unrelated to the coinage. This totals four citations - two from books, two from news, see Citations:pluto. Would that not qualify it for readdition? Teh Rote 18:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe so, as the two older defs seem to mean something different than the newer meanings (although I can't be sure, I'm having a difficult time interpreting the older ones). In any case, Pluto's demotion was a recent event, and I would thus think that any quote supporting a usage relating to that would have to be a recent one. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 19:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

IMHO, the 1828 cite is best taken as of "out Pluto", which we would now spell "out-Pluto". "The hellish scene in the kitchen out-helled hell." It is the kind of use that one can give to many proper names with a distinguishing characteristic: K-2 out-Everests Everest.

In the 1848 cite "Plutoed" might mean "sent to the underworld", "sent to oblivion", critically panned. What follows the excerpted part in the linked page (thanks Teh Rote) indicates that the play would be called in the US a turkey. DCDuring TALK 19:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Aren't two of those cites for Pluto (capitalized)? RJFJR 19:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but that's an alternative spelling. Now, I managed to find one more citation, which brings it to three for the lowercase (possibly qualifying) and two for the uppercase (not qualifying). As DCDuring mentioned, the second old cite seems to show that the described play failed - that would be the meaning we are looking for. If I could get some approval, we can re-add the entry. Teh Rote 03:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The Arizona reader comment letter is another mention " [...] have been "plutoed" (devalued) ... " No usage in 2008 yet. DCDuring TALK 11:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I thought the sense of plutoed that we're talking about has to do with "demotion", not failure. "Pluto" didn't fail as a planet, nor did it have an author who failed.

AFAICT WT:CFI requires that each spelling of a lemma have its three cites, thought we are not usually picky about alternative spellings that are shown on the lemma entry without having their own full entry. DCDuring TALK 10:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, if the etymology of the term is the 2006 demotion, it is difficult to see how the 19th century cites could be relevant. DCDuring TALK 10:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

It is possible that the 19th century cite was someone who attempted to coin the word relating to the Roman god but failed. I can't find any more book or news cites, so I'll start scouring Google groups when I find the time (busy with summer reading today) Teh Rote 15:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

After finishing my summer reading, I checked Google Groups and found two more, one from 2007 and one from 2008. That stretches further over a year- it now seems to qualify (At least I hope so, because this is all I could find). Any takers? Teh Rote 01:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It seems to have limped across the finish line. Dismissing the pre-2006 cites for the main sense and the mention (with quotes), there would seem to be four valid cites, apparently spanning a year. It might still warrant a neologism tag. It is amazing that all of the hoopla surrounding the word could only generate the four usage cites. DCDuring TALK 03:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I have re-added it with the citations you specified, leaving the other citations on the citations page. Whew...just barely squeaked in. Teh Rote 17:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Etymology mentions self-promotion

"Was believed by many to be a self-promotion attempt." Perhaps, but we should provide references for this kind of statement. Equinox ◑ 00:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)