Talk:run for
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A prepositional phrase headed by (deprecated template usage) for is just one of the possible adjuncts of the relevant transitive and intransitive senses of (deprecated template usage) run. For example, "He ran in the 2008 race", "The Socialists ran her on their line", "He ran over the objections of his advisors", "He ran away from his record", "She ran with Mondale". (Yes, (deprecated template usage) run + (deprecated template usage) over, not (deprecated template usage) run over and (deprecated template usage) run + (deprecated template usage) away, not (deprecated template usage) ran away.) DCDuring TALK 12:15, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Redirect to run.—msh210℠ (talk) 15:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- I prefer outright deletion to a redirect. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- The def is "To try to obtain political position through the democratic voting process", with the example sentence "John Smith is running for President". What has this to do with "He ran over the objections of his advisors"? What is the sense of "run" with respect to which "John Smith is running for President" is a sum of parts? --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Senses 15, 16, 17 cover the sense. 16 and 17 are transitive and intransitive specializations of sense 15. There are a wide variety of PPs that fit with those senses. There is no change of of sense of the verb with the various adjunct PP phrases. DCDuring TALK 18:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. Sense 16 does it: "(intransitive) To be a candidate in an election". --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Senses 15, 16, 17 cover the sense. 16 and 17 are transitive and intransitive specializations of sense 15. There are a wide variety of PPs that fit with those senses. There is no change of of sense of the verb with the various adjunct PP phrases. DCDuring TALK 18:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed. "For" is merely the common preposition used in connection with elected office-seeking ventures. One can just as well "stand for" office, "campaign for" office, or "be a candidate for" office. bd2412 T 19:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- @BD2412 yes that's the reason. Also I don't think we want to remove the sense from run, or separate it in two, having two rival entries covering the same thing. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:13, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Keep: Common idiomatic Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 19:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- If you can provide evidence, perhaps someone may agree with you. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- I'd stipulate that there is attestation, as there is for countless other common collocations involving these words, such as "run on (one's record)", "run against (an incumbent)", "run to (the left/right of)", "run in (an election)", etc. None of these involve changes in the senses of run that pertain to this RfD.
- I suppose that, since this is a presidential election year in the US, we could make a special effort to make sure our coverage of common collocations found in journalist coverage of elections is complete. We might discover some new words, idioms or arguments for including or keeping some that seem SoP. Any volunteers? DCDuring TALK 20:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect to (deprecated template usage) run. You can be in office or make your way into office, so for office is nothing special. Equinox ◑ 20:14, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete, to make my position explicit. bd2412 T 18:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
deleted -- Liliana • 15:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC)