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RFV discussion: June–August 2012[edit]

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Rfv-sense A word or phrase chiefly used by the transgender community. Geefdee (talk) 09:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

That's a usage note, not a definition. SpinningSpark 11:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it is. I think it's trying to get across a definition along the lines of Britishism or Bushism. That said, I can't find any evidence for this kind of use. Smurrayinchester (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
It would be countable, so it should be pretty easy to search for 'a transgenderism' or 'transgenderisms'. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
None of the Google Books hits for "transgenderisms" are of this sense. - -sche (discuss) 03:04, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Rfv-failed. - -sche (discuss) 23:01, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


Would like to see some strong sources for this claim. The word doesn't sound inherently derogatory, but neutral. Equinox 17:40, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

The "-ism" makes it seem pejorative to at least some of the people who it's used in describing, who usually don't use it. Many clinical works also use it when treating transgender people as objects of study, which might merit a label. (GLAAD, cited in the usage note, seems to be describing non-clinical use.) Sense 2 acquires additional pejorativeness from its meaning, but that meaning needs durably archived citations. I suspect it might be better to leave this in some (trimmed-down) usage notes and not in a context label. Compare transgenderist (and its talk page) and homosexualist (labelled as sometimes pejorative), vs homosexualism (no label). The neutral word seems to be "transgenderness" or "[state of] being transgender". - -sche (discuss) 16:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I've updated the usage notes accordingly, to mention the common usage in science and social science literature (which a perusal of google books:"transgenderism" and Google Scholar-indexed works demonstrates), and trim the questionably notable opinion of a single individual. - -sche (discuss) 21:38, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Can you name a transgender academic who is more noteable than Julia Serano? Jan sewi (talk) 12:23, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Julia Serano not notable... like if you're not familiar with the topic then it's not the least bit necessary that you weigh in; someone else who is can check this entry. Jan sewi (talk) 12:32, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
I advise you to desist from removing the mention of the term's frequency in science and social science literature. If need be we could seek others' input in the WT:Tea Room as to how much space should be given to Serano's view. - -sche (discuss) 14:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)