Template talk:pinyin reading of

Reworked

What do editors think of this edit? Seems ok in one way, the difference is Japanese kanji don't have traditional and simplified forms. Also {{ja-def}} is used for Romaji and Hiragana, so it can't put "Romaji or Hiragana reading of". So I'd prefer to change it back. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:56, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. shí#Mandarin looks much tidier with this edit. 60.240.101.246 10:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Tidier perhaps, but if something is tidier because we've removed valid information, overall that's a bad thing. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:04, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd argue that readers are equally likely to be confused when they see こうしょう, if they will be confused if annotation is absent in this template. 60.240.101.246 10:07, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't argue against it; however that could be reason to alter {{ja-def}} rather than to keep this version of this template. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:11, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Since nobody other than me has objected, I am going to take no action. Mglovesfun (talk) 06:35, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Italicization of colon

The colon is showing up italicized, and shouldn't be. See jīròu for an example. 71.66.97.228 19:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Definition should be outside template

Also, see jīròu for an example of how this template was intended to be used: with the definition outside the template. Example:

# {{pinyin reading of|肌肉}} [[muscle]]

71.66.97.228 19:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Not picking up missing main entries

Category:Mandarin pinyin entries without Hanzi is empty but it shouldn't, "jīròu" has links to non-existent entries. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:31, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Think it's OK now. Please check. Wyang (talk) 12:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

It has the same issue with two types of params - 1) unnamed, 2) tra/sim. Can't understand the code well but are trad/simp also param names? "rènmìng" is a false positive (uses tra, sim). No idea how many use named parameters but I'd like to identify them and change all entries to unnamed, like we did with romaji. Could you do your trick - split again with two types of sorting?

Please confirm the following: there are two unnamed (1, 2) and two named (tra/sim) parameters. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help again. In case I wasn't clear about what I'd like to happen - it's OK for named params to be false positives for now. I'll clean them (remove names) and then see how it works. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:56, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Currently I can see 115 entries in there; sorted under * are: biēsān, bàoyuàn, bàozi, bùduì, bāozhuāng, Běijíxīng, bǎishù, chūlù, diàntái, dárén, dōngchóngxiàcǎo, dǎjià, fu4, fù, fǎshī, guòqù fēncí, gōngyèhuà, huìhuà, jījiàn, jīròu, jūliú, kǎowèn, liángfēng, liánsuǒ, liúhǎi, liúxíng, lízi, lǐmào, lǐyí, lǐzi, ma4, mà, mòjìng, ru2, rénshēn, rú, shèngnǚ, Shèngshén, shénme shíhou, shìjiàn, shìlì, shìqíng, shìwù, shíwù, shīwù, sàipǎo, sāngshèn, Sānwèiyītǐ, tiáotíng, tàiyángguāng, wèi'ānfù, xiānyú, xiǎoyā, xìngxíngwéi, yuǎnzú, yàowù, yánlì, yìjiàn, yízhì, yùyán, yúròu, yāpò, yōuhuì, zhìfú, zhíwù, zhònglì, zhēnguǒ, zuò'ài, àifǔ, àijiǔ, èyì and sorted under A are: ba, bian, bo, bànfǎ, bàopò, chángshì, cir2, cúnzài zhǔyì, Déhēilán, fùxí, gōngzī, gōutōng, Huáyǔ, jiāoxiǎngyuè tuán, juéde, juédìng, jìyì, jīchuáng, kāi yèchē, kāishǐ, liǎojiě, lǐmiàn, mànhuà, mǎimài, rènmìng, shuō Cáo Cāo, Cáo Cāo dào, shuōmíng, shuǐyǔbìng, shéme, shīzi, sī, Táiwān, tèbié, wèishēngzhǐ, wénshēn, xiang1gang3, xiàngdǎo, Xiānggǎng, yuètuán, zhōngnián, zuìhòu, zěnmebàn, zīxīnyīn kǒufúyè, ānzhuāng. Is this what should be occurring? Wyang (talk) 13:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks right, I've checked a few on both lists. Well, hope nothing is missing what should be here. Thank you for your help. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 13:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Not only tra/sim but also trad/simp as was in wèishēngzhǐ --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 13:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Not mentioning pinyin in pinyin entries . . .

. . . is crazy. Is there a reason for it, or did the Mandarin editors just decide that it's fun to be crazy? —Ruakh_TALK 03:30, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

What's the difference between Nihon and Zhōngguó? Pinyin and Rōmaji are just standard romanisations for Mandarin and Japanese and the only Wiktionary romanisation used for character entries in these languages. Character entries use pinyin and romaji words, though. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

So what? The only Wiktionary inflected form used for English nouns is the plural form, but the definition lines still say 'plural'. It's just common sense. —Ruakh_TALK 05:12, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, if you insist. Let's see if there is any resistance. I have also changed {{ja-romanization of}} to display Rōmaji reading of. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:25, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. :-)   —Ruakh_TALK 05:32, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

simplifying

Now that there is Template:Pinyin-IPA/hom, you could replace this with something to automatically generate the relevant targets for each pinyin. DTLHS (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

It would be good but I don't know how. Wyang dislikes Pinyin entries, not sure he will help with this. Ideally, they should be in sync with each other. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Not "readings"

These aren't "readings". A "reading" of a character would be its meaning or pronunciation in a specific context. For example, "king" and "to rule" are two readings of 王. Rather, these are transliterations – a re-transcribing in a different script. kwami (talk) 23:27, 2 March 2015 (UTC)