User talk:DelvecchioSimone12 5 96

blocco utente

Ciao DelvecchioSimone12 5 96,
ho ricevuto la tua email e ti rispondo direttamente qui, essendo il blocco ormai passato e non essendo comunque un messaggio di carattere privato. Ho brevemente analizzato quanto successo. Cominciando dal tema della pagina mangialo, SemperBlotto ti ha risposto sulla sua pagina di discussione dicendo che a suo parere -lo non è un suffisso e mi sento di concordare con lui (puoi controllare per esempio questa pagina su Wikipedia: Suffissi della lingua italiana). Inoltre anche la pagina siilo con quella etimologia è sbagliata. Se infatti noti la pagina è stata categorizzata come pagina italiana con suffisso -lo e al momento risulta l'unica parola esistente con questo suffisso, il che fa pensare.

La ragione del blocco data da SemperBlotto è "Edit warring", che significa un continuare ad inserire modifiche che un altro utente cancella. Come consigliato qui, è tua responsabilità cercare di instaurare una discussione per capire come risolvere il problema. In questo caso, dopo il suo primo rollback, io avrei aperto la pagina di discussione di "mangialo" e avrei esposto i miei argomenti lì, notificando poi l'utente in questione chiedendogli di partecipare alla discussione. Il fatto di aver insistito a inserire i contenuti ha portato al blocco. Forse un po' eccessivo ma niente di straordinario. In generale, specialmente di fronte a utenti con così tanta esperienza (un amministratore con oltre 10 anni di attività e centinaia di migliaia di modifiche), non fa male fermarsi un secondo e presumere che l'altra persona abbia dei validi motivi per fare quel che fa.

Spero di aver risposto alla tua domanda e nel caso avessi altri dubbi puoi commentare qui sotto. Ciao, Diuturno (talk) 17:25, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

• 1) In realtà anche siilo, dimmelo, dammelo, darlo, mangiarlo, dirlo, esserlo, fammelo, farlo, tutti gli altri verbi all'infinito e tutte le altre seconde persone imperative singolari affermative dei verbi che non ne sono difettivi usano -lo come suffisso.
  2) Nelle regole sui blocchi è scritto che il blocco dev'essere preceduto da un avvertimento esplicito (explicit warning) che non ho ricevuto.
  3) la discussione l'ho iniziata sulla discussione (talk page) di SemperBlotto e una parte della modifica è fatta nel rispetto di Wiktionary:Entry layout (la sostituzione di mangiare e simili con mangiare e simili. DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 17:44, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • -lo non è un suffisso in italiano, è un pronome personale clitico (puoi leggere questa pagina della Treccani, sezione 5., esempi 9,10,11, perciò il tuo uso del template suffix era scorretto. A parte ciò, il fatto che anche in questa risposta non c'è nessuna ammissione di responsabilità da parte tua è indicativa. Se ti va puoi leggere Help:Interacting_with_other_users. Ti auguro un buon lavoro su en.wiktionary. Diuturno (talk) 20:02, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Grazie dell'informazione, non sapevo dell'esistenza di quella sezione dell'enciclopedia Treccani, e non sapendo dove informarmi sul fatto che le forme enclitiche fossero da considerare suffissi o radici di verbi "composti" avevo pensato fossero suffissi vista la somiglianza d'uso.
      Comunque ho fatto notare a SemperBlotto che invece di annullare l'intera aggiunta avrebbe potuto semplicemente cambiando il nome del template da {{suffix|it|mangia|-lo}} a {{compound|it|mangia|-lo}}
      La sostituzione dei link [[mangiare]] e lo con i template {{l|it|mangiare}} e {{l|it|lo#Etymology 2 3}} come poi ho scoperto essere suggerito dalle regole riportate in più sezioni della voce Wiktionary:Entry layout (per esempio le sezioni Derivated terms e Further semantic relations) però avrebbe potuto non annullarla. DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 20:44, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

cs-IPA

Greetings, {{cs-IPA}} does not need an argument. The argument is used only when the pronunciation deviates from the lemma. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:25, 28 December 2018 (UTC)-

Thanks for the information. --DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 13:44, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Cat

We don't put categories in inflected forms. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:14, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I sawed categories in some inflected forms of some languages an I thought it was standard. --DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 12:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we generally don't do that, that is, we don't put e.g. Maltos into a topical category like Category:lt:Countries. It does not make any sense to me to place inflected forms into topical categories,either. You may want to randomly check multiple topical categories to see whether I am right. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Now I'm removing the categories from the inflected forms that I modified or added today. --DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 12:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

{{l}} in definitions

{{l|en}} should not be used to link to the words in definitions or other kinds of running English text. Use plain [[ ]] there. —Rua (mew) 21:02, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rua Why you prefer plain links like [[I#English|I]] or [[the#English|the]], [[a#English|a]], instead of links respectively like {{l|en|I}} or {{l|en|[[the]], [[a]]}}, linking respectively to I in the first case and the, a in the second case? --DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 08:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

pronounciation (misspelling)

Hello. Please note that pronounciation is a misspelling of pronunciation. KevinUp (talk) 07:31, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

References that don't reference what they're referencing

Hi, I noticed that in some recent Estonian entries you edited, you added a reference for the IPA pronunciation. When I look at the page being referenced, however, there is no sign of the IPA at all on that page. I have therefore removed these references as they don't actually contain the IPA they supposedly provide a reference for. Please take note of this. —Rua (mew) 19:37, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

I think the apostrophe in the source ÕS corresponds with the apostrophe in IPA writing. --DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 19:40, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but you're providing a reference for the whole IPA, so the user would expect to find that on the page you provided, and it's not there. If you want to provide a reference for the pronunciation, you should provide it for the thing that actually is on the page, namely the ÕS-specific transcription scheme rather than IPA. —Rua (mew) 19:45, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Italian IPA

I noticed your edit here, which appears to be incorrect. You are a native Italian speaker, so I'm wondering if this is a mistake or if you're confused about the IPA; all the Italian dictionaries (and my ears) agree that the phoneme /ɔ/ can only exist in stressed syllables in native Italian words. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 02:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

It was a mistake, sorry.--DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 20:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I've had to fix some more of your mistakes, and I just noticed that you added some back in. We should not be marking the usual spelling of a word as a misspelling; we are a descriptive dictionary. Secondly, I have not seen any evidence that words in -ii end in /ji/; I have not heard them pronounced this way, and I am concerned that you are pointing to {{it-IPA}}, which is by no means faultless. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:53, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

DiPI does give /ii/, which it labels as pronuncia aulica, but not /ji/. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge Using {{it-IPA|principii}} the result is , similar to {{IPA|/prinˈt͡ʃi.pji/|lang=it}} which have the result IPA^(key): /prinˈt͡ʃi.pji/.

The {{it-IPA}} template recognize that after or in a stressed in the triphthong consonant + i + vowel the vowel i is pronounced /j/, but after recognizing this rule the template considering phonemes as /j/ and /w/ as consonants it put the dot between the true consonant and the semivocalic phoneme, instead to put the dot before the triphthong (as in c/g/k/q + u + vowel), in fact the second pronunciation is the correct one, the iotization of vowels i to /j/ and u to /w/ are conserved by changing gender, number or verbal form.

The circumflex accent in the principî spelling represent the contraction of the double i (as viewable on wikipedia), the less correct spelling principi is with this meaning, beeing only a different spelling, it have the same pronunciation.

The fact that the source DiPI do not considers the /j/ phoneme make the source not enough reliable. --DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 20:27, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Again, {{it-IPA}} is not meant to be a source and does make mistakes. The use of a circumflex is quite rare in normal Italian writing, and as a descriptive dictionary, we do not judge what is "less correct". Finally, you are simply not telling the truth about DiPI, which is both reliable and does consider /j/ to be a phoneme. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:35, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge The use of the circumflex accent is described here w:it:Ortografia della lingua italiana#Il circonflesso, when I wrote that "DiPi" does not consider the phoneme /j/ I meant that it does not use it in the plural of principio (this is a mistake of DiPi which reduces its reliability), moreover as a native Italian I state that the template {{it-IPA}} knows the true standard Italian phono-orthographic rules better than DiPi (with the only exceptions of the modern letters j, k, w, x and z, and the syllable-separation of words containing semivocalic phonemes). --DelvecchioSimone12 5 96 (talk) 21:07, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

I know how the circumflex is used in Italian; what I am saying is that its use is not common nor usual. You are a native Italian, but you seem to be wilfully misunderstanding how Wiktionary works as a descriptive dictionary, and I am not willing merely to take you at your word when you claim DiPI is unreliable just because it disagrees with you, and instead agrees with what I have heard and the audio clips you can listen to at Forvo and elsewhere. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 21:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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Granted, this template is a bit of a kludge, but we use it for a very specific reason: it uses less memory. An ugly translation table is better than having the bottom half of the page unreadable due to module errors, which is what your edit caused. If you have some other way to prevent the module errors, we'd love to hear it- but trashing the rest of the page so the translations display nicely isn't an option. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Pronuncia standard

@DelvecchioSimone12 5 96: Ciao, volevo esprimerti la mia solidarietà per i problemi che ti sta creando quel Grufo. Le modifiche che hai provato a fare è palese che fossero giuste, ma se dall'altra parte trovi un muro questo è il risultato purtroppo... Ti consiglio di non insistere perché questo tizio è già andato a frignare da un amministratore, rischieresti di essere bloccato, è meglio aspettare che le acque si calmino e poi ritentare con le modifiche. Ma chissà che questo coglionazzo non sparsica da sé un bel giorno com'è successo a quello che ti cancellava le modifica sulla pagina del liceo scientifico ([1]): lui ha abbandonato questo sito da mesi, probabilmente avrà scoperto la figa e realizzato di aver buttato così tante ore della sua vita dietro al nulla, per cui volendo potresti ripristinare quella tua vecchia modifica, è meglio che niente. Speriamo però che presto o tardi anche questo Grufo la scopra e la pianti di stolcherarti! VetulimoaN (talk) 18:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

riso vs. risò

You are a native Italian speaker but you claim that riso is a correct form of risapere, and risò is incorrect, contrary to all sources. Please be more careful, I've corrected several mistakes of yours. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 22:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)