Talk:情
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Justinrleung in topic Stroke Order
I know Japan-speech not, but I see that "こころ" (kokoro) means "heart". Do Japan-people really pronounce 情 as kokoro? YauKwanKiu 16:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- Not by itself. There may be a compound I'm overlooking, or it may be a poetic rewriting, or the database this entry originated from may be wrong. Cynewulf 16:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, maybe as a name -- the characters used for names and how they are read can be unpredictable. Cynewulf 16:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Classifier
[edit]@Suzukaze-c I think 段 and 份 are okay, at least in Mandarin. Dokurrat (talk) 07:46, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Stroke Order
[edit]Is the stroke order GIF correct? The alternate form of 心 is written with the left and then right side strokes first and then the long vertical stroke. See: 情 at zdic.net and any of the other characters here: characters with 忄 radical at zdic.net. Stroke order for Japanese for this character is the same as for Chinese. Pololanguage (talk) 10:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Dokurrat, Justinrleung, Wyang, Suzukaze-c, Tooironic, KevinUp: The stroke order shown on this page doesn't conform to the Taiwan or Hong Kong standards either: [1] [2]. I recommend adding two more gifs that show these variant stroke orders. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 10:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- It seems wrong. Here's Baidu's stroke order. ---> Tooironic (talk) 11:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Tooironic: It's not necessarily "wrong", but definitely non-standard. @Geographyinitiative: Making these GIFs is really time-consuming, so if you have time to spare, you can have a go at it following the instructions at c:Commons:Stroke Order Project/Graphics guidelines/Bitmap animations. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 13:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. Assuming that the stroke order provided in commons:File:情-order.gif is based on that of mainland China, then the stroke order for the radical 忄 is incorrect (it should be left, right, middle) while the stroke order for the component 青 is correct. Note that a separate file will need to be created for the Japanese stroke order which has a different stroke order for the component 青 (horizontal, vertical, horizontal x2) while the stroke order for the radical 忄 in Japan is same with that of mainland China (left, right, middle). Another file will need to be created for Taiwan 情 because the bottom right component 月 is written with a curved left stroke which is different from the character used in mainland China/Japan/Hong Kong which is written ⺝ with a vertical left stroke. Also, Taiwanese 忄 is written left, middle, right. Does anyone know of the stroke order used in Hong Kong? KevinUp (talk) 18:03, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- @KevinUp: The Hong Kong reference stroke order can be found here. It's essentially the same as Taiwan's except for the shape of ⺝. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 21:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. Assuming that the stroke order provided in commons:File:情-order.gif is based on that of mainland China, then the stroke order for the radical 忄 is incorrect (it should be left, right, middle) while the stroke order for the component 青 is correct. Note that a separate file will need to be created for the Japanese stroke order which has a different stroke order for the component 青 (horizontal, vertical, horizontal x2) while the stroke order for the radical 忄 in Japan is same with that of mainland China (left, right, middle). Another file will need to be created for Taiwan 情 because the bottom right component 月 is written with a curved left stroke which is different from the character used in mainland China/Japan/Hong Kong which is written ⺝ with a vertical left stroke. Also, Taiwanese 忄 is written left, middle, right. Does anyone know of the stroke order used in Hong Kong? KevinUp (talk) 18:03, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Tooironic: It's not necessarily "wrong", but definitely non-standard. @Geographyinitiative: Making these GIFs is really time-consuming, so if you have time to spare, you can have a go at it following the instructions at c:Commons:Stroke Order Project/Graphics guidelines/Bitmap animations. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 13:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- It seems wrong. Here's Baidu's stroke order. ---> Tooironic (talk) 11:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Geographyinitiative, KevinUp: I've changed the animated stroke order file. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 02:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung Thanks! By the way, would it be possible to add an additional parameter to
{{stroke order}}
so that optional captions such as "Mainland China" can be added to the diagrams when needed? I'm using{{Han stroke}}
to do that at the moment but this will cause the stroke order diagrams to float to the left of existing tables. KevinUp (talk) 03:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)- @Dokurrat, Justinrleung, Wyang, Suzukaze-c, Tooironic, KevinUp, Pololanguage I strongly support KevinUp's request here. "Stroke order" is just not enough- there are different stroke orders that are standard in different places, and there are stroke orders that are extremely common and are documented to exist but are not standard anywhere. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- @KevinUp, Geographyinitiative: I've added some more options to
{{stroke order}}
. That being said, I feel like stroke orders floating to the right makes things clutter, and that's not ideal. Also, I feel that it's kind of redundant to show both the still and animated stroke orders. What are your thoughts? — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 04:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)- Actually, I'm just requesting for someone to take a look at
{{stroke order}}
so that I can include details such as "Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong" or "Japan" for certain characters that are known to have a different stroke order depending on region. I'm not really aware of common nonstandard stroke orders. If these do exist, we can still link it using the|type=
parameter (eg. jbw, tbw, etc.). @Justinrleung Thanks for adding some more options to{{stroke order}}
. KevinUp (talk) 04:46, 14 November 2018 (UTC)- @Geographyinitiative, KevinUp: Common nonstandard stroke orders are covered by
|type=alternative
. The availability of these stroke orders depends on what we have over at Commons, though. — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 05:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Geographyinitiative, KevinUp: Common nonstandard stroke orders are covered by
- Actually, I'm just requesting for someone to take a look at
- @KevinUp, Geographyinitiative: I've added some more options to
- @Dokurrat, Justinrleung, Wyang, Suzukaze-c, Tooironic, KevinUp, Pololanguage I strongly support KevinUp's request here. "Stroke order" is just not enough- there are different stroke orders that are standard in different places, and there are stroke orders that are extremely common and are documented to exist but are not standard anywhere. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Justinrleung Thanks! By the way, would it be possible to add an additional parameter to