Talk:Ernesto
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...and any others we have. Do we want them? I noticed we had these two but not e.g. Debbie, Frances, Maria, Sandy or Vince. My inclination is to delete hurricane names (keeping the {{given name}}s). If kept, they merit their own category apart from ":en:Weather" which Ernesto is in now. - -sche (discuss) 05:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Strong keep for Katrina, since it's used much much more even in idiomatic usages. On the fence about Ernesto, but would be inclined to keep notable hurricanes in general. AG202 (talk) 23:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- For me the deciding factor is literary use, as in "insurance companies are concerned about another Katrina" or "the Katrina of the 1800s was called Sauve's Crevasse". So that's a definite keep for the Katrina of 2005.
- I would think most major hurricanes would be referenced by a single name in the communities they impacted, at the very least. That said, I'm not having any luck finding as much for Ernesto, despite being the costliest storm of 2006. Also, there was a second hurricane with that name in 2012. After all, it's not in this list. DAVilla 05:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- It did occur to me that names of hurricanes could pop up in quotations. DonnanZ (talk) 17:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete all storm names, these being encyclopædia stuff, and what’s more, a name could refer to manifold storms. Just show them as derived terms (diff). ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 16:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- The name Napoleon can refer to manifold individuals, but that is IMO not an argument to delete our entry Napoleon. --Lambiam 10:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Napoleon and Katrina are not the same thing. Napoleon has been attested in literature to refer to Napoleon Bonaparte since the 19th century I guess, and hence is a longstanding term. What about Katrina? ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 12:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- None of our criteria have requirements for more than a 3 year span because of the way language changes. You will find more recent names than Napoleon in our pages. DAVilla 11:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Napoleon and Katrina are not the same thing. Napoleon has been attested in literature to refer to Napoleon Bonaparte since the 19th century I guess, and hence is a longstanding term. What about Katrina? ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 12:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- The name Napoleon can refer to manifold individuals, but that is IMO not an argument to delete our entry Napoleon. --Lambiam 10:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Definitely keep Katrina per DAVilla. Neutral leaning to delete on the others unless cites can be found where the bare name is used and where it isn't blatantly obvious from the context that the name is referring to a hurricane. —Mahāgaja · talk 11:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Katrina. Maybe throw the other names in a category. – Jberkel 11:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Ernesto but not all hurricanes. Katrina should be kept if any. DAVilla 11:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete hurricane senses. Common metaphorical uses, which may be limited to Katrina, can have entries of the metaphorical sense. See Faustian, Kafkaesque. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 11:58, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- RFD-Kept for Katrina. For Ernesto, it's a bit unclear, 3 clear delete votes, but two requests for cites, with another comment about cites, and thus, I agree that it should be sent to RFV, but I'll defer to @Fytcha on this. @Inqilābī Why did you delete the sense Ernesto before even voting here and long before the discussion was close to over (no one had voted to even delete it)? diff AG202 (talk) 23:11, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think RFV is a good middle ground seeing that many people voted to keep Katrina for idiomaticity reasons. WT:RFVE#Ernesto — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @AG202: As an illustration of my point (see above), but sorry. Though it was almost 1 year before. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 12:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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Rfv-sense A 2006 storm, first hurricane of the season.
Does this have three idiomatic uses along the lines "brace for another Ernesto"? Uses of the bare name outside contexts where it is immediately obvious that it talks about hurricanes have also been suggested to be sufficient. See WT:RFDE#Ernesto,_Katrina,_names_of_hurricanes. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
RFV Failed Ioaxxere (talk) 18:04, 9 February 2023 (UTC)