Talk:lord over

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RFV discussion: December 2018–March 2019[edit]

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As rule over above, I think this is SOP: lord, verb, sense 1: "to domineer or act like a lord" + over.

lord it over seems like the real idiom to me, and that's what other dictionaries have an entry for. Per utramque cavernam 17:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, lord over was initially a redirect to lord it over, before being turned to a full-blown entry by the notorious SOP-content creator WurdSnatcher (talk • contribs). I suggest we go back to the old state of things. Per utramque cavernam 17:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from RFD. Per utramque cavernam 17:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

cited. Kiwima (talk) 23:48, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
lord it over is an idiom; this is not. DCDuring (talk) 01:58, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, but that is a question for RFD, not RFV. Kiwima (talk) 21:41, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kiwima, DCDuring: I think BD's line of thought is that if lord over can mean "to brag, even without acting in a domineering manner", it makes it non-SOP and idiomatic. Were you able to find examples of that? Per utramque cavernam 21:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This belongs at WT:RFDE#lord over. DCDuring (talk) 22:45, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that was not clear, because the definition in the entry was simply "to act as lord or boss in relation to". I have added two other definitions, with supporting quotes. The second of those is sort of like boasting. Kiwima (talk) 22:56, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RFV-passed This is still open on requests for deletion. Kiwima (talk) 20:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RFD discussion: February–March 2019[edit]

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NISoP: lord#Verb + over#Preposition, in contrast to the idiom lord it over.

Among OneLook references only Urban Dictionary has lord over, whereas several have lord it over. DCDuring (talk) 02:01, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BTW: Someone should work over [[over]]. DCDuring (talk) 02:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
“lord”, in The Century Dictionary […], New York, N.Y.: The Century Co., 1911, →OCLC. has "to play the lord" as one of the definitions, which would seem to be the right sense to make this NISoP. DCDuring (talk) 22:47, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
MWOnline has "to act like a lord especially: to put on airs — usually used with it
I haven't found a definition like "brag". But the best shot at that would be the OED. DCDuring (talk) 02:37, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is this intended to apply to all senses? If so, keep sense three. Claiming something as evidence of superiority is different from any sense of asserting rulership. bd2412 T 20:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This was challenged when there was only the first definition. The other two were added when it went to RFV, looking for more idiomatic senses. If we keep the more idiomatic senses, we should probably also keep the first definition, although we should probably mark it as non-idiomatic. Kiwima (talk) 20:51, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If this RfD is only directed to one sense (or to the first two senses), then it should be marked RfD-sense in the entry. I have no opinion either way on the other senses. bd2412 T 03:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The third def seems idiomatic to me. 173.72.213.190 01:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kept - no consensus to delete. - TheDaveRoss


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