Talk:mixed fruit

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mixed fruit

"a mixture of sultanas,raisins, cherries, etc; used as a cooking ingredient or eaten as a snack." I consider mixed fruit as any mix of fruit. The fact that some fruits are mixed more than others should be of little interest to us as a dictionary. --Cova (talk) 09:31, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Strong keep. The fact that the term can also mean a mixture of fruit does not mean that it doesn't have a very specific meaning as defined. The mix is standardised to a certain degree.--Dmol (talk) 09:55, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Is it? What Google Books comes up with is

Holidays of the World Cookbook for Students says "3 cups dried mixed fruit (such as apricots, apples, and pears; available at most supermarkets)"[1];

Better Homes and Gardens New Cook Book says "Mixed Berry or Mixed Fruit Shortcakes: Prepare as at left, except use 5 cups mixed fresh berries (such as raspberries, blueberries, or blackberries) or 5 cups mixed fresh fruit (such as sliced peaches, nectarines, bananas, and/or halved grapes) instead of sliced strawberries. Do not mash mixed fruit."[2];

The Mediterranean vegan kitchen says "Refreshing and light, this stewed mixed fruit dish is possible in late summer" (and the recipe includes lemon, peaches, apples and grapes)[3]

Complete Guide to Home Canning and Preserving says "MIXED FRUIT COCKTAIL 3 lbs peaches 3 lbs pears 1-1/2 lbs slightly underripe seedless green grapes ... cherries"

Postharvest technology of fruits and vegetables says "In case of mixed fruit jam, two or more fruits or their pulps are mixed in appropriate proportion before addition of sugar."[4] (in a section called Fresh Fruit Pulp)

Sugar cookie murder: a Hannah Swensen holiday mystery with recipes says "Chop the dried mixed fruit. ... I used peaches, apples, pears and apricots."[5]

The Rotarian Feb 1948 has an ad from an Florida fruit grove (mentioning specifically oranges and grapefruit) that offers boxes of mixed fruit.[6]

and so on. Amazon sells Del Monte Chunky Mixed Fruit in Heavy Syrup[7]; from the label, I see no raisins or sultanas, and my experience doesn't lead me to expect them. I literally didn't come up with a single example on Google Books that clearly used the definition of "sultanas, raisins, cherries, etc.", and I only saw a couple that I didn't think used that definition, but I could see where someone might make the case.

If that is a definition for "mixed fruit", I think it's obviously only true in a limited context. We need to give that context in a description so readers can tell if mixed fruit is meant, or some specific mix of fruit.

Short of some evidence that this definition is clearly distinguishable from the SoP definition, I lean towards delete.--Prosfilaes (talk) 11:27, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

When fruit is dried or fresh mixed fruit is usually sold in a clear plastic package so that buyer could see actual components and approximate ratio thereof, which vary wildly. In recipes it is even more clearly SoP. I'd be surprised if there were even a legal definition that was not itself SoP. Delete as defined. DCDuring TALK 13:30, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Prosfilaes: delete unless evidence can be found that the definition is distinguished from other mixtures of fruit (is it a legal food labelling term or something?). Equinox ◑ 16:14, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

A further comment: a bag labelled "mixed nuts" purchased in a supermarket would never contain acorns, even though an acorn is a nut, but this seems like cultural information. If acorns were in the bag, it would still be a bag of mixed nuts. Equinox ◑ 16:16, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Delete per Prosfilaes. - -sche (discuss) 17:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Delete this one is as dependable as "two words"Lucifer (talk) 01:15, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

• Delete: Even if it wasn't SOP, there's no one clear definition of what constitutes mixed fruit Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 01:07, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Unless someone can show me consistency in constitution, I'm really undecided. The one thing mixed fruit has going for it is that the pieces are assumed to be bite-sized. DAVilla 03:01, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

If the term is used specifically to mean a mixture including raisins et al. as listed in the definition to the exclusion of other mixtures of (small pieces of) fruit, then that's a keepable definition; if we doubt that, we should bring the issue to RFV.​—msh210℠ (talk) 21:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Why don't we continue having this fact-based RFD, instead? There's no need to RFV the term: Prosfilaes has already demonstrated above that it can refer to any mixed fruit. - -sche (discuss) 21:37, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Of course it can. The question is whether it also, in some dialect/context, refers only to such mixed fruit as it claims to. We can discuss that anywhere, I suppose, but it belongs at RFV. And there may be someone willing to put in the effort required to cite it who isn't paying attention here.​—msh210℠ (talk) 14:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

If it did get cited, then it would in theory have to come back to RFD to establish that those quotes did define a separate definition from the SoP. Are you concretely aware of some who hang around RFV but not RFD who might cite this? In any case, Dmol created this definition and has posted in this discussion.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

deleted -- Liliana • 18:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)