Talk:pâté de foie gras
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SOP. PUC – 10:53, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Imetsia (talk) 17:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- ??? Which meaning of de is applicable here? --Lambiam 00:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- ...good point. Makes me think of Talk:made in Italy. It's arguably code-switching, borrowing the (SOP) French phrase wholesale into English, but iff we accept it as English, it's not SOP in English...unless someone wants to argue that the use of de for "of" has become English the way le (“the”) has ... - -sche (discuss) 00:02, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Weak delete as borderline code-switching that is nearly SOP, I'm not eager to allow the non-Englishness of the preposition de to become the linchpin for inclusion as English. Convince me that pâté de foie gras is older than pâté and foie gras in English and I'll revert my vote.
←₰-→Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:48, 6 June 2021 (UTC)- I can believe that foie gras occurred earlier in English texts, but were such instances then not an instance of code-switching? And is it reasonable to think that English speakers were about to say pâté of foie gras, but then for some reason swapped the English preposition for French? --Lambiam 14:38, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- When WF was growing up, this stuff was called "fat liver paste" in the home, and since he's had his own family he hasn't ever bought the stuff. When the kids grow up and learn French, though, they'll be getting some with the calqued name to put them off it. Indian subcontinent (talk) 20:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I can believe that foie gras occurred earlier in English texts, but were such instances then not an instance of code-switching? And is it reasonable to think that English speakers were about to say pâté of foie gras, but then for some reason swapped the English preposition for French? --Lambiam 14:38, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep as a fixed expression. —Mahāgaja · talk 20:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep common phrase in English. I'm sure many readers will not know that pâté is a paste. The mousse and parfait forms are rarer in English. (Gross anyway: Ducks are force-fed twice a day for 12.5 days and geese three times a day for around 17 days.) Facts707 (talk) 05:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, per the above. bd2412 T 04:29, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, not SOP in English, as I (and others, first) commented above. - -sche (discuss) 21:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)