Talk:ska probljem

RFV discussion

This entry is false.Such slang interjection doesn't exist in serbo-croatian and it should be deleted. — This unsigned comment was added by Zabadu (talk • contribs).

Please submit your request to WT:RFV. —CodeCat 16:01, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

A citation of the Cyrillic form:

• 2005 July 13, "TooCool" (username), DMA..., in yu.comp.software, Usenet:

  Dana 13.7.2005 u 23:19:21, Nikola Nikica se nakašlja pa reče:

  > Јездо, имаш пиво на два вашара :) Секундарна грана била у пио моду, на шта

  > сам и сумЉао, али ево, овај фазон нЕсам знао да применим...

  > Благодарим! :)

  ска пробљем. :))

  ћу да наиђем и ја у тај Грмеч једаред (и то ускоро надам се јер ових дана требам да пазарим једног дизела :)) )

- -sche (discuss) 17:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Do Cyrillic citations count towards the Latin spelling? —CodeCat 17:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we require the Latin and Cyrillic forms to be attested separately (unless, perhaps, there is reason to believe one form is dialectal or otherwise restricted), because there is a one-to-one correspondence between the two. That said, the main reason I put this citation here is that the Cyrillic spelling is currently a redlink. - -sche (discuss) 17:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it would make much sense myself to require separate citations. But I do believe that Cyrillic is only used in Serbia, so if a term is considered a typical Croatism, we might want to be more cautious? —CodeCat 18:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

For now I am leaving the Cyrillic version intentionally in red until the attestation is resolved - to show good faith to the new editor and not push it. As for Cyrillic, it is used in Montenegrin and Bosnian (as part of official standard) and I believe Cyrillic is also used in Croatia (usually when Serbs are using it) but not in standard Croatian. Anyway, a typical Croatism could be used in other parts of sh lingosphere even in written form and therefore I believe in Cyrillic, too, e.g. when non-Croatian speakers are using it whether to emphasize its greater adequateness in a given context or because they learned Croatian form when they were young and Croatism just happened to slipped them out (though this second case might more seldom happen in written). --biblbroks_{дискашн} 20:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Tagged but not listed. - -sche (discuss) 08:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

What is supposed to be done now - write examples or find outright citations in written sources? Because this is slang and I think it is hard to attest Serbo-Croatian with citations that satisfy durably archived criteria. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 12:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

There are hits on Usenet, but with my limited knowledge in Slavic languages I have no way to verify if they're good- or even if they're the right language. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Can you link to the Usenet hits? I still can't figure out how to search Usenet on Google Groups. --WikiTiki89 16:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure: [1]. I have Advanced Search bookmarked: [2], and enter the term in the "this exact wording or phrase:" field and select "Google Groups" to filter out regular websites (though there are Google Groups that aren't Usenet, so you still have to sift through the results a bit). Chuck Entz (talk) 17:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I've found and added two citations of the Latin form and one citation of the Cyrillic form. I don't think we require the Latin and Cyrillic forms to be attested separately (unless, perhaps, there is reason to believe one form is dialectal or otherwise restricted). Unless there's a problem with the citations, that would seem to verify this. - -sche (discuss) 17:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Does a citation that is just "Ska probljem!" really count? I think you need more context. --WikiTiki89 17:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

If it needs more context to demonstrate the meaning, then maybe we could require the messages of other users as part of the citation? We'd probably run into the same problem trying to cite no problem or even yes! —CodeCat 18:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I would have thought that it was pretty obvious to include the previous messages of other users. --WikiTiki89 18:44, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Tnx, ppl. I was under the impression that usenet in the sh-sphere was much more dead. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 20:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I've added one more cite (from the same thread where the Cyrillic one was, just a little further down), so do these three suffice for the phrase/interjection to be attested? --biblbroks_{дискашн} 19:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Cited and kept. --WikiTiki89 19:56, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Non-slang way of saying it?

Is there another synonymous idiom that is used in a non-slang way? How would you say "no problem" without using slang? —CodeCat 18:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

You'd say: "Nema problema". --biblbroks_{дискашн} 20:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Does this term exist?

I can't believe this entry wasn't deleted.Finding some stupid and suspicious example does not mean such slang is in use among serbo-croatian speakers.As I said ska probljem definitely does not belong in wiktionary. Why do people who have zero knowledge of Serbo-Croatian edit serbo-croatian entries? — This unsigned comment was added by Zabadu (talk • contribs).

Why do people who have zero knowledge of Wiktionary edit Wiktionary entries? :) —CodeCat 18:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Q: Why do dogs lick their balls? A: Because they can. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

@Zabadu: Wiktionary is descriptive, it describes how people use language, and hence it covers uncommon words and slang words just as much as official words. (In fact, sometimes we don’t have entries for "official words", if they're only ever prescribed by dictionaries, but not used by people.) - -sche (discuss) 19:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I would like to know if the same amount of disbelief would be presented if the contributor had been aware of an article on the site of w:Alo! (Belgrade based tabloid): Ska probljem!. Or of an article from w:Kurir (also Belgrade based tabloid) press clipped by Medija Centar Belgrade, titled exactly the same: SKA PROBLJEM!. Finally this phrase is slang, not any official standard. It is even transcribed with a Serbo-Croatian letter "lj", therefore cannot but belong to the corpus of Serbo-Croatian. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 23:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

No sane Serb would EVER EVER EVER say a WORD in Shiptarian/Albanian not even a Serb in Kosovo!Trust me!I hope in future you will coem up with better source than ggogle hits

Zabadu (talk)

You either haven't met enough sane Serbs. Or you think you met all the sane Serbs. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 17:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Of course both statements might be true. :-) --biblbroks_{дискашн} 17:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

And, yes, you remember the word Šiptar? You know what language does it come from? And members of which Serbo-Croatian speaking nation use it more often than members of other Serbo-Croatian speaking nations? --biblbroks_{дискашн} 17:53, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Vrlo dobro znam da većina Srba nikad ne bi rekla ska probljem.Nikad.Možeš da lažeš i s*reš koliko želiš.Pa šta ako kažem Šiptar?To je izvorni njihov naziv i tako ih zovem.To je sasvim drugo.Vrlo jadno,nalaziš patetične google pretrage.Kao sad si mi dokazao da izaraz postoji.Očigledno si šiptaro-ljubac pošto me toliko puta ispravljaš ovog minornog izraza.Slušaj radi šta hoćeš ali ja ću nastaviti ovo da obeležavam kao hrvatsko i regionalno,jer kao što znaš ne možeš da zasnivaš izaraze na osnovu google pretraga.Takođe sve reči bazirane na hrvtskim izvorima poput ovog

hjp.novi-liber.hr,a bez ijednog srpskog izvora ili popuno izmišljene reči ili reči zasnovane na nepoverljivim gugl pretragama treba dovesti u pitanje. Zabadu (talk)

Uf, pa ja sam taj izraz čuo baš u Beogradu. I to od Srbina iz Peći. Inače kako ti misliš da bi ovaj izraz prodro do Hrvatske, kao što ga označavaš da se samo tamo koristi? Pa jedino od Albanaca, zar ne? Po tvome bi oni rekli "ska probljem" samo tamo gde nema Srba, ili kako si označio samo na tlu Hrvatske, pa bi ga po tome koristili samo ne-Srbi. A čak nisam siguran ni da u Hrvatskoj i znaju za njega koliko recimo u Srbiji i Crnoj Gori. Tako da si možda u pravu da je u pitanju regionalizam, ali sigurno nije ograničen na Hrvatsku, već eventualno samo na Srbiju. Vratiću izmene. A ti da bi znao da je u pitanju regionalizam ograničen na Hrvatsku, trebalo bi da znaš baš taj hrvatski, ali ti si govornik srpskog jezika, pa kako onda znaš kako govore u Hrvatskoj? Batali stvar, uplatkao si se. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 17:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Ne znam za Hrvatsku ali znam da se u Srbiji tako ne kaže.To što Srbi "iz Peći" to znaju ne znači da se tako govori u ostatku Srbije ili bivše Jugoslavije.Svašta se može naći na Guglu a ta jedna osoba koja to zna jer je živela sa njima nije nikakav primer.Jedine dve reči koje su navedene,navodno albanske,a većini su poznate su balega i kinta.Pitanje je da li su te reči zaista albanske ili je i to pozajmljeno od nekog(grčkog ili turskog).Ispraviću i druge reči poput konjad,risovati...

Zabadu (talk)

Pa baš u Srbiji se tako i kaže. A gde drugo kad Albanaca ima najviše tu? Inače ono da nijedan zdrav Srbin ne bi koristio ovaj izraz ti je ne samo netačna (upravo zdrav Srbin bi ovo rekao pošto nema predrasude) nego čak i rasistička izjava. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 18:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

E nemoj da lupetaš molim te.U Beogradu nema Albanaca(neki mizeran broj od možda 2-3 hiljade na grad od 1,6 miliona) nigde u Srbiji van Kosova nema Albanaca izuzev u dve opštine na krajnjem jugu.Niko ovde ne govori Albanski ni i u slengu ni u običnom govoru apsolutno ništa.Ako su ti oni toliko dragi i zlatni idi živi sa njima.O njihovom zverstvu i divljanju, rasizmu ,proterivanju,ubistvima kidnapovanjima,TERORIZMU ne treba ni pričati.U Beogradu(i ostatku Srbije) mirno živi tih 2-3 hiljade njih dok ni u jednom gradu na Kosovu kao što su Priština,Peć,Prizren nema nijednog Srbina zato što su ih ili ubili ili proterali ili su sami pobegli još početkom dvehiljdite.U Beogradu može njihov jezik da se studira dok srpski u Prištini ne može.U svakom slučaju niko ovde neće reći tako neku glupost kao što je ska probljem to je prosto izmišljotina i reći da je to valjan izraz u srpsko-hrvatskom je prosto laž.Ako se ne kaže u Hrvatskoj ne kaže se ni u Srbiji ni u Crnoj Gori ni u Bosni ni nigde.Sama postojanje ovog unosa je glupost i uvreda.Većina ljudi u Srbiji bez Kosova,pogotovu u Beogradu nema nikakv dodir sa njima,ne poznaje ih i nema odakle da uzme njihove reči. Zabadu (talk)

Aha, izvini. U pravu si kada si tvrdio da u Srbiji niko ne kaže ska probljem. Ti si podrazumevao da Kosovo nije deo Srbije. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 20:11, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Postaješ jako bezobrazan.Pročitaj šta sam napisao.Rekao sam da taj sleng izraz ne postoji u SRPSKOM i kraj.Tvoja logika je veoma poremećena.Hoćeš možda još da dodajaš i mađarske izraze pošto i Mađara ima u Srbiji??"Serbian" se odnosi na srpski i na Srbe a ne na Albance u njoj.Za sada ću biti zadovoljan time što je obeleženo kao retko i regionalno.Prvobitna želja mi je da se unos izbriše ali s'obzirom da nekoliko albanoljubaca po svaku cenu želi da sačuva ovaj unos,i ovo će biti dovoljno.

Zabadu (talk)

Pazi ovako: jako ti malo fali da pređeš granicu gde možeš da budeš blokiran. Na Talk:čuka si je možda već i prešao. Ljudi su ovde za mnogo, mnogo, mnogo manje bili blokirani. I to na neodređeno. Imaš sreće možda samo zato što smo mi, govornici srpskohrvatskog, ovde mnogo tolerantniji - verovatno najviše stoga jer nam nedostaje saradnika. Moguće da je s početka procenjeno da je korisnost tvojih doprinosa prevagnula nad tvojim nabusitim stavom. Međutim, nisam siguran koliko će to da potraje s obzirom na karakter tvojih komentara. Možda bi već bio i blokiran da je neki od admina lakših na obaraču samo pokušao da se udubi i razume ovu diskusiju. A što se tiče razgovora na "čuka", možda ostali admini samo ćute da vide dokle će sagovornik da te trpi. Inače, upravo sam hteo da se vratim i ceo ovaj tekst prevedem na engleski, prema smernicama koje su tebi date, ali pomislih: "Daj, da mu dam još jednu šansu!" If I had translated this in English, you might have missed the chance to respond. Cheers, --biblbroks_{дискашн} 19:51, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, and one more thing. You said: "Ne znam za Hrvatsku ali znam da se u Srbiji tako ne kaže." AFAICT, nowhere is mentioned Serbian language in this sentence. Serbia is though. --biblbroks_{дискашн} 19:56, 7 January 2013 (UTC)