User talk:Magurale

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Formatting

You're still not making any effort to follow our formatting rules, or even to use English consistently. Stop, look at aklemi, which I have fixed, and then change the entries you have created to match it. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, I stopped pagefromfile.py now. I'll override them at all, thank you for your warning. Have a nice day! --Magurale (talk) 19:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

To be honest, I was using Turkish Wiktionary's formatting rules, I didn't think that Wt/en and Wt/tr formatting rules may be different. I'm sorry about that. --Magurale (talk) 19:31, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

They are definitely different, in many significant ways. You also can't just append an entry to the bottom of an existing page — there should be ---- separating each language section, and the languages should be alphabetised. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Also, you claimed to have fixed amʒika, but there are still two things there that need to be fixed. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

And yet another problem, you are claiming that words like apiçoras are nouns when they are clearly not. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:37, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I'll edit the word types in a short time in bulk. Also I have a question, is there any option I can use in pagefromfile.py for alphabetizing, not appending? --Magurale (talk) 19:40, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't know. You still need to fix the entries you created. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Magurale, apart from your formatting errors, there is the problem of script. On Wiktionary, we have been using the Georgian script for Laz. Now you are adding Latin forms, which leads to duplication and inconsistency. E.g. now we have anderi and ანდერი (anderi). We should settle on one script and soft-redirect the other variant. I prefer the Georgian script because it suits the phonology better and for consistency with other Kartvelian languages, all of which are entered here in the Georgian script. @Abkhazian1, @Dixtosa. --Vahag (talk) 15:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lazuri is written in Latin alphabet. Margaluri and Lazuri are two different dialects (even language). Mingrelian is written in Georgian script, Laz is written in Latin. In Turkey, there is 300K Laz people and almost none of them know Georgian script. Starting from İskender Tzitaşi, Laz people (not Mingrelian, they live in Georgia) use Latin alphabet. Using Georgian alphabet for Laz is the same thing as using Cyrillic script for German. --Magurale (talk) 16:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@Magurale, Why do you think, that Laz dialect of Zan language is written only in Latin alphabet? In Georgia Laz was (and is) written in Kartuli alphabet far earlier than Tzitashi established his strange version of Latin. Turkey can not be a basis point in such cases. There are much more than 300k Georgian speakers in Turkey who, like Laz, can not use Kartuli scripts and because of this we can't start use Latin for Georgian (Similarly, it will be stange to use any of nongreek alphabet for Pontic or Cappadocian dialects or nonarmenian for Hemşince, because turkey's Greek or Hemshin citizens can't read and write Greek/Armenian alphabets). Beside this, how do you think, how many Lazs from Turkey are aware on this alphabet you are talking about? As I know, absolute majority of Turkey Lazs, writing Lazuri, are using their own interpretation of Latin, like X for ღ, Ç for წ, ჭ and ც and some many other cases, which makes too many difficulties and sometimes lead them to the comic situation (like "mu gaxodu", "ma goxodare", etc., instead of "mu gağodu", "ma goğodare"...). If you will obstinate anyway, you should to take into account that Lazs are not living only in Turkey, Lazs are living in Georgia as well (btw, many of Laz from Turkey got Georgian citizenship) and they were and are using Georgian alphabet and they are not ware of these versions used in turkey. Please, note, that in Turkey Lazs are not using one common version of Latin and even in a single amateurish Lazuri newspaper "Ağani murun3xi" it was used different types of it. As for your comparison - it is distinctly irrelevant - German is not a member of Slavic language group, while Lazuri of Zan Language is a member of Kartvelian Language family, formerly also known as South Caucasian. Speaking frankly I'm not mind if here we start to use in brackets one of the versions (Tzitashi, Mtanebiva, Kojima, Feurstein, Bucaklishi, Aleksiva-Usunhasanoghlu or even Faik Efendi version) of Latin Laz "alphabet", but it's seems senseless somehow. Additionally, all Kartvelian words, besides Georgian alphabet, here are given in ipa, even with transliteration and any of nonreader of Georgian alphabet can read them easily. So, si Lazi re, eşo domatzonen. Dido maxelu. wiktionary haşo ren gegaperi do siti haşo naoniko do Lazuri ç'ariko. Megaşanas dulyaskani. Guri kaiten. --Abkhazian1 (talk) 21:51, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Laz is not a written language and has no standard orthography. We can adopt any standard we want on Wiktionary and normalize all other variants to it using {{normalized}} and documenting the conversion tables as I did for Udi at Wiktionary:Udi transliteration. --Vahag (talk) 06:47, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Laz sources

Where are you getting your translations from? Are you a native Laz speaker? 1) aklemi I checked in the dictionary and should be akremi. 2) buleǩi is listed as raddish (cognate with Mingrelian bulek'i and Georgian bolok'i, where both mean Raddish) but you've written Sugar Cane. Checked in the dictionary, no such word for sugar cane exists. I'm using this dictionary. What about you? -Solarkoid (talk) 11:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your attention and yes, bule'ki is radish, I'm fixing it :) I'm not a native speaker, I've learned some Laz in university. I'm using a dictionary that is published by Laz Institute, I also use notes from lessons, and ask to native speaker people around. How actually did you noticed this mistake? :) --Magurale (talk) 04:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I randomly choose words here and there and check them from Laz, Mingrelian and Georgian. I'll add the mkhedruli counterpart later, but anyhow, I'm using the laz dictionary I mentioned above, though it's in Georgian. Good to know you're using an official Laz dictionary though. Kinda want to have one. When I have time, I'll push the Laz references too, for future, but for now I think it'd be nice to decide on Lemma and Writing forms. Let's see how things turn out. Thank you for fixing Bulek'i -Solarkoid (talk) 12:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)