User talk:PadshahBahadur

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Some comments on editing

You're doing well and learning fast and seem to have some prior experience with lexicography or editing wikis. Here are a few suggestions:

• Links to other terms in etymology sections should always be templatised ({{inh}}, {{der}}, {{bor}}, {{cog}}, {{noncog}}, etc.); of course not every term mentioned has to be a link. I see you're already getting the hang of the templates for compounding and affixation.
• Ordered lists (numbered lists) are only used for definition lines, elsewhere unordered lists with bullet points are typically used.
• Always include a headword template. We've all forgot a few of them when we began editing, but it's a mistake that you'll want to drop as soon as possible. You can find the dediced templates for Dutch here: Category:Dutch headword-line templates
• There are some special conventions for Dutch that can be found here: Wiktionary:About Dutch. You don't have to worry about reading it all, though the section about nominal gender is worth reading. By the way, we only indicate gender in headwords and in translation links. (Information about the translation-link template is available at {{t}}.)

Happy editing. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

ereloonsupplementje

I will leave the diminutive in the template for now, but note that "no need to attest the default diminutive (by end sound), even less when it follows from the main noun" would be controversial among Dutch editors and would be strongly opposed by several editors working on other languages. Unattested plurals of countable nouns are the only declined forms whose inclusion is uncontroversial. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

A word of thanks

Thanks for adding many useful compounded and affixed words. You're doing a good job in particular with adding attested names of organisms. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 09:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Capitals and dots

Personally I like them, but be forewarned that some people really don't and also don't like it when other people add them to languages in which they don't edit. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi PadshahBahadur, I would like to ask you to stop adding these until the discussion concerning them has come to an end. As I have stated in the discussion, adding these may do more harm than be useful. Thanks in advance. Thadh (talk) 20:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@SemperBlotto, Surjection: I believe that this user has stopped editing in good faith. Despite being called out for this useless and potentially harmful editing, PadshahBahadur continued ignoring the established customs of Wiktionary. I think a block is in order. Thadh (talk) 13:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't think this alone is blockworthy, but the lack of communication is concerning and possibly indicating a larger problem. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 14:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Please, please, please stop doing this. It's disruptive, and potentially harming: for example, the Dutch bizon doesn't mean "A bison", it just means "bison", while the definite or indefinite articles would be added the same as in English (een bizon - a bison; de bizon - the bison); For other languages, it's the other way around, for example in Czech, it's both "a bison" and "the bison", not one of the two (since no difference is made between definite and indefinite nouns). Granted, this may be a reasonable addition for languages like Irish, where bíosún means only "a bison", but even there this addition is completely useless. The community has expressed that they don't support this style you're trying to push, so please do stop!! Pinging @Surjection to bring their attention to this matter Thadh (talk) 12:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey PB, could you perhaps moderate your stylistic edits, and restrict them to languages that you speak to a reasonably degree and to entries to which you have also contributed at least some content? Some users are objecting to your application of the full-sentence style. In particular I recommend to avoid applying this style to various Southeast Asian and East Asian languages, many of which do not have separate forms for number. Keep up the good work on adding lemmas and derived terms. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 17:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Various minor comments

First, I don't think it is a good idea to use titles with species for lists of vernacular names that also contain names for taxa of different levels. Secondly, you have added blitskikker (“fashionista”) to the list of frogs and pielemuis (“tiny penis”) to the list of mice. Mistakes can happen and perhaps these words are both limited to the Netherlands, but it is important to catch errors like this as soon after they're made as possible because readers may find them risible. Third, please lemmatise at the more common spelling, as long as it isn't an out-of-use archaic spelling; so West-Afrikaan instead of Westafrikaan. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

It is also important to ensure that your expansions of definitions take the countability of nouns into account. The definitions for uncountable nouns normally shouldn't begin with "a" or "one". ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

haai

Hey, be careful with importing meanings from the Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal (usually abbreviated on here to "WNT"). That dictionary had a very different policy on requiring attestations and many of their senses, in particular in earlier volumes, are barely attested or only included based on other dictionaries. Wiktionary requires that three durable attestations of use exist for each Dutch sense. Besides, there is the risk of creating a copyvio. I have sent the meanings of etymologies 2 and 3 to RFVN. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 17:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

• Actually for this word I didn't work from WNT but was checking the shark-sense in a printed Vandaele and noticed they have two more etymology-distinct entries, most unlikely to get in there if extremely rare. One even has a common derivation: gehaaid. - A copyvio for WNT seems absurd: they are a public service paid for by the Flemish and Dutch taxpayers, without commercial interests to be violated, hence they offer everything for free online. PadshahBahadur (talk)

  Noted, but the same considerations apply and senses still have to be attested. I have seen unattested words or hapax legomena used by Vondel or Hooft in old versions of dictionaries, including Van Dale, and it actually took them embarrassingly long to remove those words, so it is certainly not unlikely that very rare senses are included. There's in fact an increased risk because older editions of Van Dale used to include fake words to catch plagiarists. So please take care to check when you add unfamiliar senses. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 17:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Carefulness in editing

I want to ask you to be a bit more careful when editing. A significant number of your edits in the past week contained copy-paste errors, such as incorrect POS headers ("Noun" for adjectives, the template was usually correct) or the language code for Afrikaans in Dutch etymology sections (several times at least one of the elements could not possibly be Afrikaans). Here you accidentally deleted a pronunciation section and here you included incorrect usage information (the capital spelling is not prescribed by the current official spelling standard, in fact only paradijs is given, and paradijs is not an uncountable noun like water). Finally, you often use {{compound}} as a general-purpose template when in fact a template like {{affix}} should be used; {{compound}} should only be used for true compound words and the only parameter elements in that template that should contain hyphens are interfixes. I appreciate that you contributed useful information in those edits and that mistakes will happen in everyone's editing, but please try to make them a less common occurrence. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 11:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

vluchtweg

A vluchtweg is not an airborne flight path, but an overland exit or escape route. Perhaps you could stop splitting derived terms based on semantics, they contained a decent number of errors and that format is overall very nonstandard. Besides, in some cases a derived term derives from more than one meaning of the parent word. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 11:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Another example is bladveer, in veer. This can definitely be used for a type of mechanical spring, bladveer, a leaf spring. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

defdate

Your edit at Tachtigjarige Oorlog was a misuse of the {{defdate}} template. It is meant to display a date (usually an imprecise one) from which a definition is attested, or a range in case the word has gone out of use. The religious affiliation of the rebels is relevant in an encyclopaedia but less so in a dictionary; even then many of the high nobility who petitioned against the religious policy of Philip II were Roman Catholics. Please do not try to add creative layout and instead try to follow existing practices, there's already plenty of variety in layout as it stands. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:36, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Sloppiness and placement of definitions

I would once more like to implore you to be more careful when creating entries. A few days ago you created a few words for days like zomerdag with the neuter gender, you created inkalelie at a barely attested spelling and you added the lemma for livrei with an incorrect plural [1]. It is generally better to omit information than to present incorrect information. You can also use the preview to check for errors. Everybody makes mistakes, that is inevitable, but the current error rate remains a serious concern and it is best if most of one's own mistakes are caught by oneself.

Regarding the placement of definitions, although this is to some degree subject to disagreement, editors agree that uncommon senses should not be placed above much more common meanings. Werkster in the meaning "female worker" is considerably less common than "cleaning lady/charwoman" even in very recent writings [2]. The fact that a "cleaning lady" is a hyponym of a "female worker" or whatever is not really germane. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:28, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

To be clear, you are wasting others' time if you continue to make errors at this rate. Please bear in mind that you may be blocked if your sloppiness continues unabated. If you have any questions about your Dutch edits, direct them to Lingo. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

These edits contain some of the types of errors to which I alerted you earlier: [3] [4] The gender errors here and here are less serious, but still entering an incorrect value should be avoided. When in doubt you can consult the Nederlands Etymologisch Woordenboek at the Etymologiebank or the WNT (the latter is somewhat less reliable). ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 19:29, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Could you stop:

1. Adding 'related' terms like f.e. koningskind to onderkoning? [5] It is not useful and you could literally add thousands of links to thousands of entries that way. That you shouldn't do this has been explained to you plenty of times, it's extremely nonstandard but you keep doing that.
2. Removing actual etymologically related terms just because they derived from a different language? [6] Those etymological links are the reason why the related term sections actually exist, they aren't intended for compounds having one element in common. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

You are still making gender errors in significant quantities, such as at praktijktest, pianokwartet and lustwarande. Moreover, you revert back to questionable edits that have been explained to you and that don't have a snowball's chance in hell of being permanently included, something that you would know if you had read CFI in full. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

This is to be honest not very topical to the above comments and it was done before the message, but I hope you can see why this edit is problematic for a neutral dictionary. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

To be continued

This edit was something straight out of a horror film. Never rearrange etymologies like that if you don't know your stuff. Etymological dictionaries agree that they share the same etymology.
And stop adding untemplatised form-of sections. Only add them if you use the correct templates. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 12:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Function of the id parameter

Since you've had your first run-in with the parameter id, I thought I'd explain its purpose. It is used to sort entries into the right categories in cases when there are multiple categories for the same element, in this case an affix. So Category:Dutch words suffixed with -er exists, but the more specific category Category:Dutch words suffixed with -er (agent noun) also exists. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)