User talk:Vuccala

Boilerplates

Check out my userpage for a more complete boilerplate. Vininn126 (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Very cool, thank you! Note to self: reference User:Vininn126#Cheat_sheet when I update my userpage. – Vuccala ✿  16:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Vininn126: Just as a reply to your edit summary on odwzorowywać; understood — though that's not where I found it (I don't yet use pl-wikt). It was a case of me genuinely needing to know what "odwzorowywane" meant, and not finding an entry here, so creating one based off a vague definition on sjp.pl, with the anticipation that you would quickly come along and correct it so I could learn exactly what the word really meant. Because I saw how quickly you corrected bulodrom after I made it :-). And yup I am aware to only make entries for attested words. –Vuccala (talk) 23:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Vuccala no worries, I've been there. Hopefully the changes I made help. I also changed the declension. Keep it up! Vininn126 (talk) 02:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Vininn126 (talk) 18:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

templates

Sozologia had some real major issues, please check the changes I made. Vininn126 (talk) 20:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the message and fixes, Vininn126! I try my best to follow the established style, then after hitting Publish Page I carefully watch the page for changes from more experienced users so I can learn what I got wrong. I'm starting to get it. – Vuccala ✿  20:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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What a cute lisek ;_; Look at this lovely piesek, it looks like a stoned rat :3 CLICK Shumkichi (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Ale fajny słodziak! Jak parówka w wodzie XD. Liski są moje ulubione zwierzęta, ale pieski, oczywiście, też lubię . –Vuccala ✿  00:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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-atives

These are mostly clear errors. Putting "alt form" is extremely misleading. Please slow down! Equinox ◑ 01:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I added them only if there's a significant number of attestations in the book search on Archive.org. How should I proceed? –Vuccala (talk) 01:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Please discuss at WT:TR. You are potentially going to add a lot of errors. Errors can be easily found in a book search. Equinox ◑ 01:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay thanks, got it. –Vuccala (talk) 01:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Taxonomic names

Not everyone agrees with the non-breaking spaces (or use of any other HTML), except in templates, but there hasn't been strong objection. Taxonomic names of rank higher than genus are not italicized, except for names of bacteria and viruses. Neither of these are critical. It is more important to avoid misspellings; use {{taxlink}} where applicable; and have some actual content to a definitions (eg, description, location info, relevance to humans), links to material in sister projects (WP, Wikispecies, and Commons), a good image (esp., one that explains something about the name) of {{rfi}}, etymology or {{rfe}}. More advanced considerations for taxonomic name entries themselves are Hypernyms and Hyponyms and links to external sources, such as {{R:Mammals}}, {{R:POWO}}, {{R:GRIN}}, etc. (See Category:Taxonomic reference templates.) It is quite daunting to get it all in, but do what you can.

I find adding images to be quite entertaining. For example search for 'incategory:"Requests for images in English entries" hastemplate:"vern"' or 'incategory:"Requests for images in Translingual entries" hastemplate:"taxon"'.

Thanks for your efforts and interest. Don't hesitate to contact me about anything, but especially organism names. DCDuring (talk) 16:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@DCDuring I wanna make sure I'm following the established style, so thank you very much for the help! And as for hypernyms, I just found your Category:Taxonomic_hypernym_templates so I'll be sure to use those. And I indeed enjoy finding good photos, I managed to find a particularly fun one for foxhole.

I have two question:

• when a species has multiple vernacular names, and we point the uncommon names to its most common name, is it better to use "{{synonym of}}" or a plain definition? (eg: Afghan fox vs white fox)
• when you said ("and have some actual content to a definitions (eg, description, location info, relevance to humans)") should such information go into the definition of the binomial name, or the vernacular name?

–Vuccala (talk) 18:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@DCDuring and thirdly, image captions can be uncapitalised and without a full stop like this? I had the impression "A culpeo fox." would've been preferred? –Vuccala (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not entirely consistent myself and have changed my ideal over time.

I usually supplement the hypernyms templates with additional tax, eg, subfamily, tribe, and subtribe for those that templates whose last item is a family and suborder, infraorder, superfamily, etc for those templates whose last item is order.

I usually use {{synonym of}} and make sure that all vernacular names, even if they are "synonyms of" have one or more taxonomic names, adding etc. if there are more.

I try to add some substance to main entries for both taxonomic names and vernacular names. That is not always easy and remains a goal most often "honored in the breach". In principle one could add some kind of cladisitic definition to any taxon that was a clade, even if there is no common characteristic (understandable by non-biologists) for members of the clade, which is the usual case for taxa above the rank of genus. For all taxonomic names above the rank of species, even if they are not clades, their hypernyms and some hyponyms characterize them pretty well. It is usually easier to give good definitions for species than for taxa of higher rank. Larger genera of plants, for example, can have species that take the form of vines, herbs, shrubs, and trees, can appear in multiple continents and ecological zones, and can have diverse multiple human uses or none at all. DCDuring (talk) 00:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@DCDuring Thank you. I'll take advantage of your status as a mentor to ask another question now: when describing in a definition where a species is from, are there differences between these terms? (And if not, do you favor one over the others?)

• endemic to
• found in
• native to
• living in

–Vuccala (talk) 11:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the query. I hadn't really given the matter much thought.

"Endemic to" and "native to" are basically synonymous. "Native to" has the advantage of not requiring most people to look it up. "Living in" implies that the organism is not extinct. "Found in" is more inclusive, but is in the past tense. Both of these latter terms allow for recent introduction (usually by humans and their technologies) into the places where the organisms are now found. It is quite possible and often desirable to have both "endemic/native" and "living/found" in the same definition.

Other terms are "invasive in/introduced to" other locations. DCDuring (talk) 14:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Jamaican Creole

Hi. Thanks for being involved in adding Jamaican lemmas :) I really appreciate it! Tashi (talk) 20:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Tashi Thank you for noticing! I've been interested for a long time in Jamaica's language (and Creole grammar in general), and by adding Wiktionary entries for JAM words as I learn them it helps me to memorize them, and hopefully also helps others. By the way: do you know any JAM corpora/books besides Di Jamiekan Nyuu Testiment that can be useful for finding attestations? --Vuccala (talk) 22:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

There are some dictionaries but due to the lack of standardization of spelling, some of them use English spelling which is confusing. I don't think there's a corpora especially for Jamaican. There might be something for Jamaican English but it's something else that's why I use Di Jamiekan Nyuu Testiment as it has standardized spelling. Tashi (talk) 22:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Tashi Got it, thanks. I've since also found that the JWs have on their site a large number of articles in JAM with accompanying audio, so that's useful.

Btw I've found what might be an error in Template:jam-noun: I don't think it should list that secondary plural form (-s dem) if the word already ends in s (e.g. faks), right? Can't edit it myself since I don't know how to code templates. Vuccala (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow that JWs site is a great find! Thanks! You're probably right about the -s. I didn't make the code but I'll try and look at it. If I fail, I'll ask around Tashi (talk) 22:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)