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This should be discussed first. We certainly shouldn't be mentioning ongoing RFDs, and the paragraph giving the history appears to contradict the pre-existing paragraph, making the section seem incoherent. This is an important project page.
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sorry, this is just an accurate history, accurately quoting things as they were, and the examples are accurate; I will drop Mother Teresa as per your objection even though I don't think it's necessary. Everything else are just objective facts of the matter.; the dictionaries were mentioned in the vote and are exactly the kind of monolingual dictionaries that are being used in discussions; please raise specific objections rather than just blank "this is an important project page"
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Terms that appear to be sum of parts, yet have entries in general monolingual dictionaries such as Merriam-Webster but not WordNet. However, there is no consensus for automatic application of this test.<ref>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2018-12/Lemming principle into CFI]]</ref> (Jocularly named after the "lemming principle" of doing what everybody else does, like mythical lemmings following each other over a cliff.)
Terms that appear to be sum of parts, yet have entries in general monolingual dictionaries such as Merriam-Webster, OED, AHD, Cambridge, Collins, Macmillan, Longman, German Duden and Spanish DRAE, but not WordNet. However, there is no consensus for automatic application of this test.<ref>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2018-12/Lemming principle into CFI]]</ref> (Jocularly named after the "lemming principle" of doing what everybody else does, like mythical lemmings following each other over a cliff.)


Cases:
* [[genuine issue of material fact]]
* [[genuine issue of material fact]]
* [[prime number]]
* [[prime number]]
* [[technological unemployment]]
* [[technological unemployment]]
* [[Talk:George VI]] was closed as deleted despite lemmings - {{R:OneLook|George VI}}
* [[Talk:Joan of Arc]]: the proper noun part was deleted despite lemmings - {{R:OneLook|Joan of Arc}}
Further discussions can be found from [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Wiktionary:LEMMING]].

History: The principle arrived to this page via {{diff|2941818}} on 7 September 2007 in a different form: "Terms that have entries in other dictionaries, especially specialized ones." The principle proposed in 2014 was about ''general'' dictionaries, not ''specialized'' ones. The term "lemming test" occurred in a 2007 discussion at [[Talk:genuine issue of material fact]].


== Failed entries ==
== Failed entries ==

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This is a list of generally multiple-word entries which have meanings that may appear to be sum-of-parts (SoP) but which have survived a request for deletion (RfD) specifically because they are identified as idiomatic, or are found in other dictionaries.

Note: Please do not add a term to this list unless there was discussion during RfD that concluded in keeping it, initially doubting the necessity of including the term but leading ultimately to the decision that the term should be retained.

Tests of idiomaticity

Where possible the list is partitioned by test, in each case listing under the most applicable test for idiomatic status. Tests can be used as guides during RFD, but they are not hard/fast rules and are subject to interpretation, and thereafter change.

Tests are proposed by contributors as a way to rationalize how and why some terms are idiomatic when others are not. Besides original basis on the Pawley List, these tests are derived from the list of terms that survived RFD, not the other way around.

These tests are considered inclusive and incomplete, meaning that each needs to be narrowly written so as not to include any non-idiomatic terms. Please do not add tests before discussing whether that criterion is met.

Terms which would have passed at some point in the history of the English language, under current criteria for inclusion. For instance, in a jiffy can be understood by looking up the individual words, but the word jiffy (short time) once only existed within, and derives from, that phrase. Thus, in a jiffy passes. (This is not a grandfather clause. If criteria for inclusion change, a term can be re-evaluated.)

Terms that have specific restrictions to the meaning of constituents, which could not be surmised pragmatically. For instance, a fried egg is pan fried, not deep fried, and also not scrambled.

Terms that imply certain social knowledge that could not be derived from any of the constituents, nor from their combination. For instance, a light bulb joke requires a scenario where a differing number of people are required to change a light bulb based on a certain characteristic of those people.

Terms normally regarded as designating professions. Most, if not all, terms that pass the tennis player test would also qualify for inclusion as translation hubs.

Terms that are not recognized in a different dialect although all constituents are understood. Formerly known as the "fancy dress" test.

This category includes terms that are irregular or archaic syntactically and polite formulations.

Terms that have a specific technical meaning in a certain field.

Terms that are tightly bound, in which a pause cannot be inserted, or for which concatenation seems natural, if not standard.

See also: Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2009-12/Unidiomatic multi-word phrases to meet CFI when the more common spelling of a single word

Terms that are not necessarily idiomatic but are the significantly more common forms of attestable single words. For instance, coal mine is the more common form of coalmine. This criterion was voted upon.

Terms signified as logical units by unusual patterns of stress or intonation.

Terms in which at least one constituent is ascribed a meaning that it does not have outside the compound. For instance, red does not mean “small, relatively cool, and of the main sequence” outside the term red dwarf.

The frequent use of terms appearing to contain elements of redundancy is sometimes used as an argument for inclusion.

See also: Category:English pleonastic compounds

Fractions

Some written-out fractions, like one eighth and three quarters, have survived RFD. General rules for making English fractions are at Appendix:English numerals#Common fractions. Though there does not seem to be consensus that inclusion of a Unicode single-character equivalent justifies these entries, some have been created on this basis - see Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2015/November#Written-out fractions.

There are no entries for reducible fractions like two fourths.

The lowest-denominator entry that does not exist is two sevenths.

Lemming test

See also: Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2014/January#Proposal: Use Lemming principle to speed RfDs

Terms that appear to be sum of parts, yet have entries in general monolingual dictionaries such as Merriam-Webster, OED, AHD, Cambridge, Collins, Macmillan, Longman, German Duden and Spanish DRAE, but not WordNet. However, there is no consensus for automatic application of this test.[1] (Jocularly named after the "lemming principle" of doing what everybody else does, like mythical lemmings following each other over a cliff.)

Cases:

Further discussions can be found from Special:WhatLinksHere/Wiktionary:LEMMING.

History: The principle arrived to this page via diff on 7 September 2007 in a different form: "Terms that have entries in other dictionaries, especially specialized ones." The principle proposed in 2014 was about general dictionaries, not specialized ones. The term "lemming test" occurred in a 2007 discussion at Talk:genuine issue of material fact.

Failed entries

For comparison, here are some entries that failed to survive RFD because they are not idiomatic:

In some cases a term is reduced to a minimal idiomatic part, such as:

See also

References