Category talk:zh:Variant pronunciations

RFDO discussion: September 2014–August 2015

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Category:zh:Variant pronunciations

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Category:Mandarin variant pronunciations

It's not at all clear what these categories actually contain. Terms, in themselves, are not variant pronunciations, so this needs to be clarified if they are to be kept. Also, these are not topical categories so they should not be named as such. —CodeCat 22:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I would just delete the fuck out of them. Renard Migrant (talk) 11:31, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Me too. But notifying Wyang and kc_kennylau first. — Keφr 17:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, obviously this category contains terms that have more than one Mandarin pronunciations. I would wait for the creator Atitarev to defend it. --kc_kennylau (talk) 00:49, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, why do you want to delete something you don't understand? Out of spite? The category contains terms with multiple hanzi readings. Entries are added automatically for characters with different readings in mainland China and Taiwan, e.g. 稍微 (shāowēi) where character 微 (wēi) is pronounced "wēi" in PRC and "wéi" in Taiwan. The category is maintained by User:Wyang, User:Tooironic and myself. Since the majority of characters are pronounced the same way in Mandarin, it is useful for learners/users to see when there are variations. If the naming is not perfect and there's not enough description, then this can be fixed. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:02, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I've emptied and deleted the rest. The remaining category is automatically populated by {{zh-pron}}. By the way, I don't think the category name is unclear. Wyang (talk) 01:07, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Then what does it mean when the word 別介／别介 is called a variant pronunciation? —CodeCat 02:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

It means that the term can be pronounced "biéjie" OR "biéjia". --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:07, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

We already have another category for terms that can be pronounced more than one way: Category:English heteronyms. —CodeCat 02:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

It's not the same. The term 別介／别介 has two pronunciations for the same sense. Chinese also has heteronyms and words/characters with different senses, which can also be pronounced differently. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:30, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

• Of course don't delete this. This is one of the most valuable features we boast on here in our Chinese coverage. At present no other dictionaries can provide this information. That Renard Migrant proposes to "delete the fuck" out of these is ignorant and offensive. ---> Tooironic (talk) 02:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Rename to something like "Mandarin terms with multiple pronunciations", which would be clearer and would also better fit how other categories are named, e.g. Category:English terms with multiple etymologies, Category:English terms with rare senses. - -sche (discuss) 02:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Support renaming to that, definitely. —CodeCat 02:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Wyang so, can we rename this? As I wrote above, "Mandarin terms with multiple pronunciations" would be clearer and would also better fit how other categories are named, e.g. Category:English terms with multiple etymologies, Category:English terms with rare senses. - -sche (discuss) 04:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Support. Wyang (talk) 01:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Renamed. Once the rename has propagated out to all affected entries, Category:Mandarin variant pronunciations can be deleted and this RFD can be closed. - -sche (discuss) 00:29, 10 August 2015 (UTC)