Talk:шестокрилатьць

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шєстокрилатьць

Six-winged what? — Ungoliant ^(falai) 20:21, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Anything that has six wings. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 20:26, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

The current definition is ungrammatical. How about "a six-winged creature"? But are we sure this is a noun? Is this word used in the OCS corpus in any way other than to describe seraphim? Couldn't it be an adjective? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

While it’s not OCS but OES, in the Lay of Igor’s Campaign we find

»Инъгварь и Всеволодъ

и вси три Мстиславичи,

не худа гнѣзда шестокрилци!«

which neither refers to seraphim nor can be interpreted as an adjective. That the word in OCS is similarly a noun is supported morphologically (it’s formed from an adjective plus the nominalizing suffix -ĭcĭ) and etymologically (its descendants and cognates are nouns). Vorziblix (talk) 16:36, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

In OES it is a noun. The modern Russian translation uses "six-winged eagles":

И́нгвар и Все́волод,

и все тро́е Мстисла́вичи,

не худо́го гнезда́ орлы́ шестикры́лые!

Ingvar and Vsevolod

And all three Mstislavich(es),

The six-winged (eagles) not from a poor nest!

--Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:20, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, that’s what I meant (note the “neither... nor” above). Sorry I wasn’t clear. Vorziblix (talk) 08:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

By its ending CU "шєстокрилатьць" can't be an adjective, it's a pure noun, not a nominalised adjective. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

A nominalized adjective is a pure noun, if it’s formed with derivational affixes (as is the case here). Of course you are right that “шєстокрилатьць” can’t be an adjective, but it is nonetheless derived from “шєстокрилатъ” (an adjective) + “ьць” (a nominalizing derivational suffix). Vorziblix (talk) 08:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Cleaned up by adding "creature" as suggested above. - -sche (discuss) 18:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)