Talk:该你了

Which context?

In which context is this used? Such as in a board game? 71.66.97.228 06:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The context is very broad, this includes board games, drinks, queues, of course. I've seen obscene usage as well. The phrase causes headaches for Chinese people trying to translate it into English, BTW. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Mandarin. Glossed as it's your turn, which I note we don't have. It doesn't seem idiomatic; it's composed of 该 (gāi, “ought to”) + 你 (nǐ, “you”) + 了 (“now”). I don't see the phrasebook value of this entry in any way. By the way, 該你了 is the traditional form, which should be deleted as well. --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 06:01, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Keep. It doesn't have to link it's your turn, convert to simply "it's your turn". The Mandarin expression has a value in showing how this is said in Mandarin. Learners can't tell the meaning of the phrase, especially without context. A phrasebook candidate - Category:Mandarin phrasebook in traditional script. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, though — do you really think that this would reasonably come up enough to merit a phrasebook entry? --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, of course. User:Tooironic - the creator and me have edited this entry, so we obviously have already thought about it. The reverse is also true - it's useful for Chinese learners of English. It's a common request for translations. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Keep. Not intuitively translated from its parts to its actual meaning. bd2412 T 04:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

After some checking I was surprised to see how many online Chinese-English dictionaries have this entry. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Seems really strange to me, but I know your judgment is better than mine. BTW, I'm somewhat worried by the fact that I've already come upon a word in my basic Chinese textbook that we don't have: 听懂. I really need to learn how to make a good Mandarin entry so I can start adding these. --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:04, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

聽懂／听懂 (tīngdǒng) / 听懂 (tīngdǒng) (tīngdǒng) uses verb complement 懂 (dǒng), it's not very productive, so it's OK to have an entry. From the top of my head, it's only two words: 听懂 (tīngdǒng) and 看懂 (kàndǒng) that use it, we already have 看懂 (kàndǒng). 听懂 (tīngdǒng) is similar but not exact to 听得懂 (tīngdedǒng) "able to understand by hearing". The negative form is 听不懂 (tīngbùdǒng).

Equivalent or example entries are 睡得著 (shuìdezháo), 睡得着 (shuìdezháo), 睡著 (shuìzháo), 睡着 (shuìzháo) - if you want to have a go at creating entries, they use a different type of verb complement. You need the "rs" (radical sort) value for the entries, though, both for traditional and simplified (the first character is different). Here's a trick: check entries 聽／听 and 听 (yǐn) or any other starting with these characters. The "rs" values are "耳16" for 聽／听 and "口04" for 听 (yǐn). WT:AZH has more on creating entries. BTW, verb complements is not the easiest part of Sinitic languages, although Chinese grammar is not considered hard.

Sorry, this explanation is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, feel free to move it. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

阿哈，很协助的。多谢！(Please correct my grammar, I'm sure it's wrong) --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

别客气。I would say 你帮了我大忙了。 - "you helped me a lot" (from 帮忙 (bāngmáng)). What's 阿哈? Looks like an abbreviated name. 阿 is normally used in names. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:12, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

啊哈 was just a jocular transliteration of aha. I used those characters because they seem to be translit-friendly (cf. 阿纳托利, 哈哈, etc). Is something like (deprecated template usage) 哎呀 more appropriate? --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 02:32, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

嗯 or 哇 would be better, IMO, (嗯 has several meaning and various tones, our entry is pretty poor), 哎呀 expresses an unpleasant surprise. I don't use mood particles often. Unlike Japanese, they are not so common in writing. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:57, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

kept -- Liliana • 08:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)