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RFV discussion: July–November 2019

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Possibly Latin and not English. Also doesn't have a totally convincing definition. Equinox 23:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

While the supporting quotation defines “acerata” as “sharpened”, its author re-defines it as “with steeled points” in a later version of the same text, also putting the term between scare quotes. Apparently he was himself unsure of the meaning of this term, which – judging from the surrounding text – he found in old texts dating back to the reign of Edward III, that is, 1327–1377. So that would make it Middle English anyway. I wonder if there is a relation with the word serrated, like an illiterate misspelling of “a serrated [arrowhead]” such as referred to here and offered for sale here.  --Lambiam 01:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)Reply
Added a request for deletion. —Piparsveinn (talk) 22:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 19:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

RFD discussion: July–November 2019

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acerata

See Wiktionary:Requests for verification/English#acerata. If “acerata” is Middle English, we won't get a good entry for it without an expert and attestation elsewhere. I don't see any value in keeping this speculative entry. —Piparsveinn (talk) 22:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

First place, RFDs and RFVs should not run at the same time. Secondly, if it's an attested word, we should have an entry.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:33, 3 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
One attestation does not suffice. We are not even sure about what language this is (English? Middle English?) and what the term means (sharpened? with steeled points? serrated?).  --Lambiam 08:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
Middle English is a COM:LDL, and if it's Middle English, one attestation does suffice. In any case, attestation is a matter for RFV.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
The entry was deemed to have failed verification.  --Lambiam 19:14, 25 November 2019 (UTC)Reply


RFD discussion: November 2019

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acerata (relisted)

See Wiktionary:Requests for verification/English#acerata and #acerata. We are not even sure about what language this is (English? Middle English?) and what the term means (sharpened? with steeled points? serrated?).  --Lambiam 09:22, 3 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

Keep as Translingual. It's not English. It is a taxonomic designation. Mycale acerata is a demosponge. Equinox 09:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
Isn’t the Translingual epithet a use of Latin acerata? That has nothing to do with the English entry, the subject of this request.  --Lambiam 21:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yes, you can read "keep as X" as "delete existing but move to X". For further details, please consult your recent low-level explanation of copy vs. rename. 🤔 Equinox 03:25, 8 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
More precisely, keep and move to Translingual, it's not a deletion matter. There are two or three species that have it. DonnanZ (talk) 11:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
I assume that “move” means, “replace == English == by == Translingual ==“. And then what? Keep the present definition? The definition “sharp? sharpened?” does not seem adequate for our little demosponge. I am not too sure about the present quotation either.  --Lambiam 18:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
Looking at Latin aceratus it means "hornless", so if that is correct (I'm no student of Latin), I suspect "sharp" and "sharpened" are a wild guess. DonnanZ (talk) 19:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
As long as we are in the business of moving the entry, why not move it to Translingual serrata?  --Lambiam 15:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

The entry was [Special:PermanentLink/58035416#acerata|deemed to have failed verification].  --Lambiam 19:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)Reply