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Beat generation, anyone? I had heard that is a cousin to the word "beatific", and so has a different etymology. I'll add this myself if I find time, but hopefully someone beats me to it.-- 22:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This doesn't cover beat poet, beat poetry, beat generation (but we do have Beat Generation. Equinox 17:45, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


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Rfv-sense: "A small part of a dramatic play". Tagged but not listed, if you can find out who tagged it, all the better. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I think perhaps the user who added it is confusing it with a small pause in a play? If that is the case it should be merged with "A pause with the camera focused on one shot, often a characters face (often used in screenplays/teleplays)." ---> Tooironic 00:05, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
DCDuring did, FWIW.​—msh210 (talk) 21:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
A theater glossary now at OneLook has "A deliberate pause for dramatic / comic effect.", ie, Tooironinc's sense, which IMO should replace the camera-specific sense we now have. DCDuring TALK 22:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
RFV-ed sense RFV-failed; other sense modified, as suggested. - -sche (discuss) 20:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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(impersonal): It beats X Y = X cannot understand Y, where Y is an indirect question.
(said by Fred Dibnah): It beats me how she [= the Queen] keeps tabs on everybody
This seems to be a particular use of the "overcome"/"defeat" sense and/or it is idiomatic in beats me/it beats me. DCDuring TALK 18:21, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I think the latter: it's idiomatic in beats me. (Not in it beats me, though, as "How he did that beats me" works well. It can redirect, though.) (I'm reminded of why transcripts, which don't include tone of voice, are, well, lacking: Attorney: And what does your husband do every night at nine o'clock? Witness: Beats me.)​—msh210 (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
There are several Google Web results for it beat me why, past tense, but not nearly as many as for present. There are few results for third-person, but some. What to do?​—msh210 (talk) 23:32, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


Deleted as redundant; I agree with DCDuring's interpretation. - -sche (discuss) 18:27, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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Rfv-sense "A transient grace note, struck immediately before the one it is intended to ornament." Quite apart from this redundant definition (all grace notes are transient and struck immediately before the one they are intended to oranment), I've never heard "beat" used this way. The only kinds of grace notes I know of are the appoggiatura and the acciaccatura. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 19:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

A Google search suggests that this definition was lifted from Eli Roberts' The Hartford Collection of Classical Church Music (1812). Equinox 19:39, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
So it's not a copyvio at least. That's still not verification, though. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:27, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Not strictly relevant, but I've read transient, grace note and ornament and I still don't think I understand what this means. And unfortunately we've uncovered plenty of 19th century sources that have simply made stuff up that was apparently never used (or not that we can find). Renard Migrant (talk) 20:49, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 04:10, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Alt past participle "beat" -- is this US?[edit]

Equinox 17:27, 26 October 2017 (UTC)