User talk:Hazarasp

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Again, welcome! --Vahag (talk) 05:25, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for ME additions[edit]

I adore your additions to Middle English entries, a topic that is sadly often overlooked. You seem to be so knowledgeable on this and I greatly appreciate it. If you don't mind me asking, how do you know all this? Do you use specific sources or books or just your memory or something?--Sigehelmus (talk) 15:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I mainly use the Middle English Dictionary and An Elementary Middle English Grammar, along with Wikipedia's Middle English coverage, though I sometimes depart from their choices (for example, I use the most frequently attested form of a word rather than using the MED's normalised orthography). Hazarasp (talk) 00:55, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Alternative forms[edit]

Should probably not be chained together (alternative forms should not have their own alternative forms). DTLHS (talk) 03:33, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


hi thanks for creating entries in wiktionary


Hi ! What may be confusing about bapteme is that the pronunciations of the Alternative forms are found on this page. I think they might be better served at each individual entry. Also, the form that directly leads to Modern English baptism is baptisme, not bapteme. So from a Descendants perspective, that is also a bit confusing...would you consider moving the entry to baptisme, and list bapteme as an Alternative form instead ? Leasnam (talk) 05:03, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

I've generally been in the habit of putting all pronunciations on the main page; it's definitely possible that a person could write baptisme, but say /ˈbaptiːm/ or vice versa, or move between multiple pronunciations and/or spellings depending on social climate, regional accent, or even just randomly; additionally I see alternate forms as basically glorified redirects. --Hazarasp (talk) 05:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Is this really true ? it has always been my understanding that the differences in ME spelling were reflective of variations in pronunciation, with words being spelt almost phonetically Leasnam (talk) 05:24, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
While ME spelling was a lot more phonetic than ModE spelling, it wasn't perfectly so. For example, I don't think anyone actually pronounced the <p> in autumpne, and in Late ME the system was already starting to break down to the state we see in ModE. --Hazarasp (talk) 05:37, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
I can actually see someone pronouncing autumpne or stempne with a slight intrusive p sound,...but point taken ;) Leasnam (talk) 05:45, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Another example would be Sathan; I doubt many said /ˈsaːðan/. --Hazarasp (talk) 05:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
That could be due to the fact that th was not yet solely dedicated for use as /θ/ and /ð/, but could still also represent t + h (especially in foreign words), because þ (and ð) were still in use. Interestingly, we still pronounce thyme, Thames, and Thomas like t :)
Yes, though thyme and Thames were actually tyme and Temese in ME. --Hazarasp (talk) 07:54, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
I put the main page on bapteme as that was the most prevalent form in ME; there are plenty of other pages where the form listed as a descendant is actually a development from some other form. --Hazarasp (talk) 05:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


When you make a Middle English entry into an alt form, be sure to get rid of the etymology and descendants sections in favour of centralising them as well. (This is one of the entries that's my fault, so I saw it pop up on my watchlist.) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:50, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


You've created the Middle English past participle form and assigned it to the noun ? It ends in -ed Leasnam (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

That was a mistake; the correct version of the page will be up in a few minutes. --Hazarasp (talk) 07:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
No worries Thanks :) Leasnam (talk) 07:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)