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Two senses: one is the trendy cis/trans Tumblr teen politics thing, and the other one is chemistry. I doubt we can CFI-attest either. Equinox ◑ 09:33, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Gender identity is now "trendy Tumblr teen politics"? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:38, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Angr, if you delete words (as from "trendy cis/trans Tumblr teen politics" to "trendy Tumblr teen politics"), you can't still expect it to mean the same thing. --WikiTiki89 14:45, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- The "cis/trans" part unquestionably refers to gender identity. It was the other descriptors I was questioning. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- @Angr, if you delete words (as from "trendy cis/trans Tumblr teen politics" to "trendy Tumblr teen politics"), you can't still expect it to mean the same thing. --WikiTiki89 14:45, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: at the time I added the chemistry sense to transphobia, I checked for citations of cisphobia and couldn't find any (and therefore didn't create the entry). Checking Google Books + Scholar now, I find exactly one citation and it is very mention-y: 2012, Laura Palazzani, Gender in Philosophy and Law →ISBN, page 101: "One could then speak of 'cisphobia' or 'heterophobia', claiming adequate protection for cisgender and straight persons." - -sche (discuss) 15:17, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- I've added one citation from Google Groups for the gender identity–related sense. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 16:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Cited the gender-identity sense. One Google Books hit and several magazine and newspaper hits (although the newspapers are mostly college and high school ones). Issuu is kind of the go-to website if you want to try to cite neologisms and slang, as there's a lot of college/university and local alternative publications archived there. -Cloudcuckoolander (talk) 00:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- There's too many quotes that quoting or paraphrasing Piers Morgan for me to feel really comfortable, but it seems cited. I for one have trouble using Issuu, since it doesn't play nice with Flash not automatically being loaded, but it does look like a useful tool for those with access.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- And the first real use comes after Piers Morgan's February 5th 2014 tweet claiming he was victim of cisphobia. You've put a lot of work into citing it, but it's still real marginal.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah. The Selby, Edwards, Sarkesian, Wright, and Searce citations are all "verbatim or near-verbatim quotations or translations of a single original source", namely Piers Morgan (they even use quotation marks), so they aren't independent of each other, but any one of them can count — I'd go with Selby, since it's most clearly using rather than mentioning the term, IMO. (To be clear, the others can still be listed on the citations page or in the article, they just don't count towards the three-use threshold.) Valenzuela has a use independent of Morgan, which brings us to two uses. But the Maresca citation is mention-y, and crucially, the 2012 citation (the only one which would bring this over the one-year threshold) is also very mention-y. If this is judged not to meet CFI at this time, could we hot-word-ify it? I expect it will unambiguously meet CFI a year from now, assuming the excellent resource Cloudcuckoolander has found (Issuu) is still around to give us easy access to more college papers at that time. - -sche (discuss) 02:56, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- The word is used several times in this thesis. Are theses acceptable as citations? Universities tend to keep copies of students' theses on file, don't they? -Cloudcuckoolander (talk) 03:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- I'd say theses are acceptable, yes. The point of them is that they're contributions to world knowledge, and universities do in general keep printed copies of them, and other researchers do manage to access and cite those copies. I'd say they're comparable to the myriad non-famous mediaeval manuscripts that various universities also keep. - -sche (discuss) 04:04, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- The word is used several times in this thesis. Are theses acceptable as citations? Universities tend to keep copies of students' theses on file, don't they? -Cloudcuckoolander (talk) 03:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah. The Selby, Edwards, Sarkesian, Wright, and Searce citations are all "verbatim or near-verbatim quotations or translations of a single original source", namely Piers Morgan (they even use quotation marks), so they aren't independent of each other, but any one of them can count — I'd go with Selby, since it's most clearly using rather than mentioning the term, IMO. (To be clear, the others can still be listed on the citations page or in the article, they just don't count towards the three-use threshold.) Valenzuela has a use independent of Morgan, which brings us to two uses. But the Maresca citation is mention-y, and crucially, the 2012 citation (the only one which would bring this over the one-year threshold) is also very mention-y. If this is judged not to meet CFI at this time, could we hot-word-ify it? I expect it will unambiguously meet CFI a year from now, assuming the excellent resource Cloudcuckoolander has found (Issuu) is still around to give us easy access to more college papers at that time. - -sche (discuss) 02:56, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- And the first real use comes after Piers Morgan's February 5th 2014 tweet claiming he was victim of cisphobia. You've put a lot of work into citing it, but it's still real marginal.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- There's too many quotes that quoting or paraphrasing Piers Morgan for me to feel really comfortable, but it seems cited. I for one have trouble using Issuu, since it doesn't play nice with Flash not automatically being loaded, but it does look like a useful tool for those with access.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Finally come back to this. The gender sense seems to be cited, so thanks (and sorry for being flippant about it, but there are a lot of people making up a lot of gender labels at the moment); chemistry sense still seems deletable. Equinox ◑ 01:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Closed with gender sense passing, the chemistry sense failing (somewhat surprisingly). — Keφr 11:10, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Checking if old RFV-failed terms have become citable, I looked for but couldn't find any citations of the chemistry sense, which remains suprising, since transphobia’s chemistry sense is attested. - -sche (discuss) 03:56, 29 May 2018 (UTC)