Talk:pineapple tart
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Sum of parts? SemperBlotto (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- I dunno, seems no worse than apple pie. Equinox ◑ 16:56, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. Apple pie in the literal sense probably wouldn't survive RfD. DCDuring (talk) 17:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Do I have to go to Singapore to find one? It sounds interesting enough to keep, sounds delicious too. DonnanZ (talk) 00:35, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- They seem to be associated with Chinese New Year. They also come in different shapes; I have added an image to the entry, here's another with rolled ones. DonnanZ (talk) 15:48, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as SoP, I think. Unlike apple pie, it doesn't have any figurative sense. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:54, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - as per egg tart and treacle tart - these are not tarts filled with pineapple, but rather some pineapple-flavoured concoction; "pineapple-flavoured tart" would be SoP.- Sonofcawdrey (talk) 00:39, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Pineapple tarts are either filled with or topped with sweetened, mashed pineapple. I don't see how this makes it not SoP. The definition itself is essentially "[a] […] pastry filled with pineapple jam". Most food ingredients are processed in some way and not used whole, and I don't think the processing involved in this case has been sufficiently transformative. In the case of egg tarts, for instance, they are filled with an egg-based custard which is quite different from raw eggs. But I wouldn't suggest we add apple tart, rhubarb crumble, etc., simply because the named ingredient has been cooked and sweetened in some way. — SGconlaw (talk) 02:11, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- I think it is more than just a case of being SoP. I for one didn't know what a pineapple tart is, so I have learnt something. I don't think they are well known in the western world, and I wonder whether a Singaporean knows what a Bakewell tart is. BTW, an egg tart sounds a bit like a custard tart in the UK. DonnanZ (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- That's what we have Wikipedia for ... ;-) — SGconlaw (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- ... which is fine for more detail. DonnanZ (talk) 18:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- That's what we have Wikipedia for ... ;-) — SGconlaw (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- I think it is more than just a case of being SoP. I for one didn't know what a pineapple tart is, so I have learnt something. I don't think they are well known in the western world, and I wonder whether a Singaporean knows what a Bakewell tart is. BTW, an egg tart sounds a bit like a custard tart in the UK. DonnanZ (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Pineapple tarts are either filled with or topped with sweetened, mashed pineapple. I don't see how this makes it not SoP. The definition itself is essentially "[a] […] pastry filled with pineapple jam". Most food ingredients are processed in some way and not used whole, and I don't think the processing involved in this case has been sufficiently transformative. In the case of egg tarts, for instance, they are filled with an egg-based custard which is quite different from raw eggs. But I wouldn't suggest we add apple tart, rhubarb crumble, etc., simply because the named ingredient has been cooked and sweetened in some way. — SGconlaw (talk) 02:11, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete, SOP, lexically uninteresting. The details belong in an encyclopaedia. --Barytonesis (talk) 12:51, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Keep – [The tart is not simply SoP, instead it really is a different kind of tart as compared to any other fruit tart. It's bite-sized yet called a tart, so that one way to see it as being different. The cultural context also plays a part here - in the Singapore context, pineapple tarts aren't open-faced tarts to be sliced and shared. They're called pineapple tarts yet do not fit into the general conventions of how a tart usually looks like. ] - Buluketiakasmara (talk) 04:49, 1 November 2017 (UTC) [moved this here as comment put in wrong place] - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 05:30, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- In this case, size doesn't seem like a reliable guide to whether the term is SoP or not. We define a tart as "[a] type of small open pie, or piece of pastry, containing jelly or conserve". However, that covers a wide variety of tarts, including some types of Bakewell tart which are actually the size of a pie and usually sliced for eating (see image), store-bought Bakewell tarts which are much smaller (pictured on the Bakewell tart entry page), and the bite-sized pineapple tarts which are the subject of this discussion. In other words, there is no fixed convention of how large or small a tart is. — SGconlaw (talk) 04:09, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Kept. I note that if "tart" is broad as to the size of the confection, then a kind of tart that is defined as being of a particular size is also more narrowly defined. bd2412 T 14:58, 5 January 2018 (UTC)