User talk:Allamakee Democrat

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Hello, and welcome to Wiktionary. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wiktionarian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk (discussion) and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~, which automatically produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the beer parlour or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! BD2412 T 21:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


There are lots of alternate ways of calling attention to an entry. VIP is typically for active vandalism spanning a whole slew of entries.

Please try using {{rfd}}, {{rfc}}, {{rfv}} and {{rft}} more often.

Thanks! --Connel MacKenzie T C 08:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, be aware of what to call vandalism and what not. Try browsing the histories of pages to identify it. In the case of common noun and proper noun, I can't see what you mean. These are just decent definitions, not vandalism. — Vildricianus 08:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


Hmm, it was my understanding that nightshade refers just to the genus Solanum rather than to the whole family. Can you check your source? Widsith 11:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


Please note that "Etymology" is at level 3... that's already two signs you don't have to type. — Vildricianus 21:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Qui, moi?[edit]

Teasing? I hope not. I try to give realistic summaries. Could you please edit that example sentence into shape, so that it'll pass the test of time? TIA. --Connel MacKenzie 23:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


Your formatting was a little off. I've added instead a link to kith and kine – d'you want to put an entry in for it? Widsith 09:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

See my mail[edit]

Just now.--Allamakee Democrat 01:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

IRC is a better medium to quickly contact sysops. — Vildricianus 06:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I haven't done IRC in years. Did click. Which am I to download? I have a latest-greatest version of Windows (new three months ago via Dell). Take this to mail and delete.--Allamakee Democrat 07:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Meta has more information. If you're on Firefox, Chatzilla should do. — Vildricianus 07:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I second that, at least, with IRC, you can contact directly admins that aren't sleeping. E-mail is not suitable for urgency. I don't read my e-mail when sleeping. Kipmaster 07:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Hiya. The pronunciation given is actually standard UK, which I should have labelled accordingly but didn't. We don't pronounce the 2nd R, it just serves to lengthen the vowel. I'm not confident enough to add US prons as well, particularly since there are so many. As for the Greek issue, not sure what to say except suggest you download a decent Greek font! Cheers, Widsith 07:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


It is bad form to move the entry to the American spelling. The Common Wealth spelling now needs an entry, not a redirect. You are supposed to just create the separate corresponding entry, never move it from a valid spelling. See Wiktionary: Beer parlour archive/January 06#Policy concerning US v Brit spelling, Wiktionary: Beer parlour archive/March 06#First quarter 2006 US vs. UK flamewar and about a dozen earlier conversations on the topic. --Connel MacKenzie 00:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


In addition to what I wrote on the Tea Room, I see that the sOED has a note saying that the sense of ‘translated version, plagiarism’ etc. developed from the verb (which itself developed from the noun!). As a verb, crib can mean ‘steal’, and from there it developed the sense of ‘plagiarise’, and hence presumably the noun sense. The best way of dealing with this is probably to add a line in the =Etymology= bit saying that some senses came from the verb (see what I've done for example with wave, Etymology 2; but you may want a different solution). Widsith 07:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Awesome selection of citations. You mentioned using subsenses – it can be done. Have a look at deal or ward for examples. However, be aware it isn't universally accepted here yet (Connel in particular dislikes them). Widsith 07:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


My brother had a hematoma, in fact of the contra-coup variety. He fell well-drunk down the stairs to the basement, and hit his head on the thing above. And within that magic hour, had neurosurgery that saved his life and mind, sort-of.

The word is not spelled haematoma. --Allamakee Democrat 06:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Are you saying I made a mistake somewhere, e.g. in this edit to the word "haematoma"? Rod (A. Smith) 06:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hematoma is how it is spelled in English. --Allamakee Democrat 06:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Heamatomata is possible, but silly, in AmE. A hematoma is a bruise. A contra-coup injury is a neurological disaster area. Such is my brother.--Allamakee Democrat 07:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I empathize with you for your brother's injury. I know that the classical spelling haematoma looks a bit unusual compared with the modern hematoma, but as you can see from , the spelling with "ae" is also English. Also, although the naturalized hematomas is more common, and show that the classical -ata plural is also used. Rod (A. Smith) 07:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


I'm here, bit I don't see which entries you are referring to. Is there one in particular? Rod (A. Smith) 04:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Reverted and blocked. Rod (A. Smith) 04:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Kestral is a fairly common variant spelling of Kestrel. A friend of mine opened a restaraunt named Kestral and I was sure it was mis-spelled until I checked ... would be a useful redirect; that's what WP does. Robert Ullmann 22:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Don't forget, there is also Special:Wantedpages that you can attack, without clearing the lists we maintain manually for newcomers.  :-) --Connel MacKenzie 04:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm really warming up to your idea of listing "toughies" now. The automation stuff seems riddled with problems; as soon as one problem is addressed, three more crop up.  ;-( --Connel MacKenzie 08:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


Re: gall Please use the correct quote format as per Wiktionary:Quotations. Rklawton 13:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

double possessive[edit]

Are we allowed to take this further? e.g. St. Paul's Cathedral's vergers' cat's fleas! SemperBlotto 11:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


Your other definition. Did you not mean patrician? Regards Andrew massyn 13:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC) lower case L. it fooled my elderly eyes, and my need for new glasses. You are welcomed to correct. Never heard of patriclan, by the way. --Allamakee Democrat 13:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah,I hadn't heard of it until yesterday when I was reading the book I quoted in the article. Andrew massyn 14:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Do not redirect spellings: criticise[edit]

US/UK spelling differences are an ongoing point of contention. Entering one form or the other as a redirect is not NPOV. Each should have a stub (or a complete) entry. --Connel MacKenzie 20:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

This was not meant to be a rude statement. I was trying to be informative. There have been a billion flamewars about US/UK spellings vs. deletions vs. redirects vs. partial redirects vs. section sharing, vs. section redirecting vs. entry sharing.
I'm sorry if my tone came across as rude. However, entering redirects for one or the other, has met uniform resistance from both sides of the pond.
I will try to find the "-ise"/"-ize" rule that I remember seeing on User talk:Paul G. Paul has spent probably the most time (of any of us) researching the actual rules involved. --Connel MacKenzie 06:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Homo sapien[edit]

If you'll check the edit history and the RFV discussion, you'll see that I didn't enter the word and that others argued for keeping it. I merely added a stronger indication that the word is considered incorrect and should be avoided unless you want to appear educated. And please refrain from profanity directed at other users. --EncycloPetey 03:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

But you're not going to apologize for your error and insult? --EncycloPetey 04:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Very well then. You've been blocked for one hour for personal attack and profanity. The next time you want to be nasty, please take it somewhere else. Should you slip again, an apology can go a long way. --EncycloPetey 04:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

demonstrative adjective[edit]

Such commentary, while acceptable on talk pages, is inappropriate for main entries. Please refrain in the future. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 04:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


I have fixed your edit to ass, under Etymology 2, please note the correct usage of {{proto}}. Regards, --Williamsayers79 15:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for noting the descendants. However, we generally don't have conversations in the entry itself, but rather on the discussion page. I've moved the comments to Talk:γέρων and replied there, if you care to take a look. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 03:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)