User talk:Saltmarsh/Archive 5

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Archive for 2008 and 2009[edit]


Hey, I created the Greek form of this: νενικήκαμεν. However, I don't see much evidence that this is an English word. I thought I'd ask you about it before throwing it to RFD. Atelaes 23:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

re User talk:Saltmarsh#nenikekamen I take your (possibly) correctly made point! I cannot remember what was going through my mind when I created the article (perhaps as - an admittedly much less common - parallel with Eureka!)- I have dug myself in further by putting in the (more common) alternative spelling. Google books has instances - mostly I think musical and often titles - and ordinary Google has about 1000 for each. I guess someone may come across some of these instances and wish to look up the meaning. If you still think that it should be RFDed please do that. —SaltmarshTalk 07:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I forgot to check google books. There do seem to be some instances of this, so I'll leave it be. Thanks for getting back to me. Atelaes 07:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
If the google books cites give the meaning of the word (i.e. they don't assume the reader knows it), those wouldn't count for citation purposes. But if there are a few where it's used as an ordinary word, then I guess that's ok. (Didn't check, ill *and* backlogged, and slacker to boot)... ArielGlenn 21:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Also this might be my first message to you this year, so Happy New Year and I hope things are going well for you. :-) ArielGlenn 21:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


I marked this entry for deletion, as it is not an alternative form but clearly a spelling error. I thought that I should contact you, though. --flyax 18:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, personally, I wouldn't trust what people write on the Internet on spelling matters. All verbs in -λλω are spelled with double λ (e.g. βάλλω, ανατέλλω, ψάλλω, αγγέλλω) in the present tense (except δε με μέλει: I don't care). Υou could also google "παραγγέλλει" vs "παραγγέλει" etc. I don't know if there is a policy about common errors. Maybe a usage note in the entry should be enough. --flyax 16:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

As I said, I don't know much about policies. However, I don't agree with you. In my opinion, only valid entries should exist in a dictionary, wiktionary included. Otherwise we'd have endless discussions whether a misspelling is common or not and this could prevent us from achieving our main purpose, that is to add the thousands of Greek words still missing. So, as a rule, I believe that we should use redirects or usage notes or something like that, but not entries. The issue of αβγό (and αυγό, αυτί and αφτί, τσιγκούνης and τσιγγούνης) is different, as, in my opinion, both are valid entries and the people who could justify their choice for using either of them are very very few. But, again, this is only my personal opinion. --flyax 12:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


Hello (long time no see). I was wondering about your L2 change to άπαξ. The Ancient Greek spelling is ἅπαξ (hapaks). So, I was thinking about moving the entry to this spelling, but the Greek Wiktionary seems to consider this a Greek word (el:άπαξ. Your thoughts? -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 07:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

upper/lower case[edit]

Hi, the infamous "Conversion script" moved some Greek entries to lower case that maybe shouldn't be; I noted when my automation deleted the UC redirects. See Κινέζικα, Ιταλικός. Maybe need to be moved back? Robert Ullmann 06:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


Not a word? but el:αήρ? You think they'd know. Robert Ullmann 14:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


Just a note, when you use {{etyl}}, the second code should be the recipient language, i.e. the language the etymology is in. You were putting those words into Category:el:Ancient Greek derivations ;-). -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 06:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


Hello! This entry is totally wrong. It should be deleted. --flyax 05:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

New number template[edit]

Please have a look at {{cardinalbox}} and let me know what you think. I've devoted more than 9 hours to it today, in addition to planning the basic design well ahead of time. Of course, it shouldn't be used yet, except for testing, because it may continue to change with additional suggestions, but I'd still like to have some feedback. --EncycloPetey 05:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Note: The template uses the same "sc=" as the {{t}} series of templates. So for Greek entries, it's a good idea to include sc=Grek (just one "e") to specify display using a Greek-friendly font. --EncycloPetey 06:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Greek, and other languages, have different gender forms for some numbers - has this been discussed elsewhere? —Saltmarshαπάντηση 06:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, Latin has this feature as well. This summary box is only for use on the lemma page, and merely connects the various grammatical forms to each other, as well as showing the symbolic form. The inflection of the entry itself will have to appear in the inflection line and/or an Inflection section on the page. There simply isn't room to have every possible inflected form that might be relevant. The alternative is to list all these forms in the See also section, which is not as satisfying. See négy or пятнадцать to witness some ways people have been providing such links in the past, with no uniformity. --EncycloPetey 06:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes! I should have siad above that this might :) have been thought of. —Saltmarshαπάντηση 06:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The template is now usable. While it may still get a facelift, its parameters and template call method should no longer change. --EncycloPetey 06:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


Hello. The ====Synonyms==== header should come after the ===Noun=== header and must be one level higher (four ====s). Please see WT:ELE for more details. --Vahagn Petrosyan 06:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Something amiss[edit]

Hi Saltmarsh,

When I followed a link on en.wikipedia that took me to a page in wiktionary, the page opened up stating I had a message (I'm a user on WP, but not WT). When I tried to follow the link to the page (this web address) my WebTV server (yes, I don't use an actual computer) told me the page couldn't be found. When I tried to go to the link called "last change" (just to the left of the "message" link), a page opened up saying there was a glitch that should be reported to an administrator, with a link to the 'find a user/administrator/etc.' page. I chose your name because I liked it (something like I might have chosen). So I'm doing my Wikiduty and reporting it to you. Here is a link to the page with the message about the glitch.

Good luck, WP user Hamamelis

You don't say where on WP you started nor where on WT you were taken to - the other links you mention seem to have been deleted. I shouldn't worry - some sort of glitch. —Saltmarshαπάντηση 05:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


Hi, could you move this into the Template namespace or delete it, as applicable. Thanks Conrad.Irwin 23:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Done —Saltmarshαπάντηση 07:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Automatic Transliteration of Greek[edit]

Hi, Ariel Glenn pointed me in your direction as master of the Modern Greek Transliteration system in use on Wiktionary. As I'm hoping that the automatic transliteration system will be installed shortly, I wondered whether you wanted to cast your eyes over the discrepancies between its attempts and current content of Wiktionary. Conrad.Irwin 23:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


for the heads up. Glad to see you are still working on these things. :-) -- ArielGlenn 14:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


Hello. The header in this entry says English, however there is a "{{initialism|lang=el}}" below. Something is wrong. Could we consider it an English acronym? --flyax 21:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)