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Again, welcome! Wyang (talk) 16:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for finally creating an account! Keep up your great work, especially in filling our gaps in Chinese. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 04:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


Wiktionary:Votes Hi! Could you vote on my application status bot? Thank you --Pavliukdanila (talk) 14:23, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


Please be very careful, there are several errors on the 등신 (deungsin) page. The Sino-Korean etymology should be 等神, and the word is pronounced with a long vowel. Wyang (talk) 15:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

"This form has other meaning"[edit]

Hi Zcreator, thanks for adding this feature. I just think that this statement might not be true in all cases. For example, 电线杆 is the simplified form for both 電線杆 and 電線桿, but both actually have the same meaning. Also, the sentence is kind of ungrammatical; it should be "This form has other meanings" or "This form has another meaning". Is there a better way of wording this? @Wyang, Dokurrat, Suzukaze-c, any suggestions? — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 18:46, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Something like "This simplified form corresponds to more than one traditional form; it may or may not have other meanings" ? I'm not sure either... Dokurrat (talk) 20:48, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
@Justinrleung and the gang: I think we really should start looking into the option of assigning IDs for individual etymologies/senses. Wyang (talk) 07:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Changed the wording to "This form has one or more other meanings." ت Wyang (talk) 08:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Japanese entries[edit]

If I may, I would like to request that you make Japanese entries as subpages of your user page, like Vietnamese. —suzukaze (tc) 22:42, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

good work[edit]

Good work on finding all those SoPs. ---> Tooironic (talk) 15:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Korean hanzi section[edit]

Dear ZCreator,

I've seen you removed the verb forms for Korean on several hanzi forms without any notes

Can I please hear your justification on this?

'Hanzi' based words can be used as both verb and noun in Japanese and Korean.

For example ~する and ~하다 are identical in the way they represent the dictionary form of the verb.

However Japanese verb forms are allowed to stay while the Korean forms have been removed by you, For example the するform of BOTH 認證 and 認証 are allowed to stay even though 證 is an obsolete form of 証 in Japanese. (In other words a case that is worse than the use of hanzi in Korean) Before you say anything, please read my words:

replacing words with Hanja is acceptable in literature and writing and example is seen here:

Therefore the verb forms would both be legimite in the hanja and non hanja writings.

Thinking of equality, I would think of reverting the removal or removing the verb forms on the Japanese articles... But more often than Chinese, Korean and Japanese often require added grammar to specify the usage of the word (and is is normal for dictionaries to specify if the word is a noun verb etc)

One might argue the Japanese verb forms deserve to stay over the Korean ones because it's acceptable literature to write without hanzi in korean.. but then one could argue to remove the Korean sections completely because it's not mandatory...? But then we also have two separate article pages for Japanese 例えば and たとえば as both forms are accepted with or without hanzi.

(Also ~される = ~되다/나다 although I could comprehend the removal of the passive form as it is a conjugation)

I think your main basis of removal would have been redundancy - if that is case would you mind if I ask if you have a Korean background or some form of valid education in Korean? Based on the redundancy rationale here is the summary of my proposed solutions: revert the deletion of 하다 forms in hanzi articles or delete the する forms in hanzi articles; deletion of Japanese subsection on 認証; delete article たとえば

Please ask for clarification if you are unclear about any of what I have said! I might add anything more I think of!

Sorry for the long post! I look forward to hearing your rationale! 😊 I wanted to express my thoughts instead of just reverting..

Jayshinkw (talk) 03:47, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
(butting in) Unless I am mistaken, Korean -hada forms are not treated the same as Japanese -suru forms, so there would be one page for 認證 and one page for 認證하다. I think @Atitarev or @Wyang should know more though.
(By the way, thanks for adding Korean sections for Hanja words. It feels like Korean is underrepresented here.) —suzukaze (tc) 09:45, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh I see. It was a little bit grey to me. I have just recently discovered the page 食事, and it seems to place it under the 'Derived terms'. Feels a little odd, but at least it's included somewhere Jayshinkw (talk) 09:53, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, we treat Japanese する verbs and Korean 하다 verbs differently, even if the usage is very similar. First of all, Korean uses spaces between words and 하다 verbs form words and they are lemmas. For the majority of Japanese する verbs the lemma is the form without the する part (認証 but not 認証する) and we only have entries for those, which include both noun and verb sections. Also, I think for modern Korean, entries like 認證하다 would of very low value and I think making them would be a waste of time (perhaps a redirect?) and a duplication. We have entries like 인증하다 (injeunghada), which are formed from 인증 (認證, injeung) + 하다 (-hada). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 11:12, 3 February 2018 (UTC)


What does "upriver river confluence to the sea" mean? — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 02:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)