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Ends Title Status/Votes
Dec 28 Templatizing topical categories in the mainspace 2 40 (24 people)
Jan 8 User:Nloveladyallen for admin failed
Jan 20 Restricting Thesaurus to English failed
Jan 21 User:Vorziblix for admin passed
Jan 29 Conrad.Irwin for desysoppage failed
Feb 3 User:Koavf for admin passed
Feb 25 User:Dvortygirl for debureaucrating Symbol support vote.svg9 Symbol oppose vote.svg1 Symbol abstain vote.svg1
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Templatizing topical categories in the mainspace 2

Voting on: Templatizing the markup for topical categories in the mainspace with one of two particular templates, {{cat}} or {{c}}. Thus, giving a full go ahead to all automatic and semiautomatic edits that replace the likes of "[[Category:nl:Mammals]]" with "{{cat|nl|Mammals}}" or "{{c|nl|Mammals}}". Note that the templates support multiple parameters, such as {{c|nl|Mammals|Zoology}}. Note that, currently, {{c}} is a redirect to {{topics}}. This proposal is about using templates for this purpose in general, and also about the particular template names to appear in wikitext in the mainspace.

Schedule:

  • Vote starts: 00:00, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
    Extended: 23:59, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
    Extended: 23:59, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Vote created: Dan Polansky (talk) 09:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion:

Support for cat

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:17, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
    I like {{cat}}, like the alias "Cat" for categories. Typing {{cat|en|dogs}} seems similar to typing [[Cat:en:Dogs]]. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:17, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support -Xbony2 (talk) 01:37, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support, same reasons as in the previous vote. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 18:07, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support Ƿidsiþ 12:32, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support, the main reason being sortkeys. —Aryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 14:39, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Support; this is consistent with the Chinese specific template {{zh-cat}}. — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 21:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg Support Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg Support – Because (as @Daniel Carrero says above) {{cat|en|Languages}} is similar to [[CAT:en:Languages]], I think it makes sense as a name for the template that generates language code–prefixed categories. — Eru·tuon 18:16, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg Support. Better than {{c}}, worse than {{topics}}, much better than [[Category:]]. — Ungoliant (falai) 15:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
    @Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV If you want {{topics}}, you should vote oppose like I did. —Rua (mew) 15:56, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
    I’d rather settle for a smaller improvement than insisting on one that is not likely to pass. — Ungoliant (falai) 16:08, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
    Indeed, {{topics}} had only one support in Wiktionary:Votes/2017-05/Templatizing topical categories in the mainspace, and 6 opposes. I find {{topics}} a fine name, but it is unlikely to gain 2/3-supermajority. {{cat}} seems to be an okay name, especially since its functions can be expanded to handle non-topical categories as well, as indicated on the talk page of the vote. --Dan Polansky (talk) 16:43, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
  10. Conditional Symbol support vote.svg Support if an admin volunteers to fork a local version of HotCat to support the new template. It's not particularly hard to do, just requires careful testing; the code is doing simple regexp replacements - see the logic for HotCat.category_canonical and HotCat.category_regexp in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js Tetromino (talk) 08:01, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
  11. Symbol support vote.svg Support As long as {{c}}, {{cat}}, and {{topics}} all work, I really don't care which one is the primary name. I definitely support letting bots get rid of bare links though. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 10:54, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
  12. Symbol support vote.svg Support I don’t care either about which is chosen, but I support getting rid of the vulgar syntax categories because they are ugly and take multiple lines with long names while the {{C}}, {{c}} and {{cat}} templates look fair. Palaestrator verborum (loquier) 17:37, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
  13. Symbol support vote.svg Support, though I would prefer "category" as the default. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 23:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
  14. Symbol support vote.svg SupportΜετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:45, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
    Late support. A near supermajority wishes to have this templatized; actually, some sort of templatization (albeit under a different name) is supoorted by a full supermajority as evidenced in this vote. Templatization is going to bring minor benefits. MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js can be forked to support the template, as pointed out above. "topics" is a name unequivocally rejected in another vote; "cat" is a good name for the purpose, and the template can be extended to produce non-topical categories as well if there is such a requirement. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Oppose for cat

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose DonnanZ (talk) 20:03, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
    @DonnanZ: Could you please clarify why you oppose this? Is it because you consider it too long? (You seem not to oppose {{c}} and {{C}}.) --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:22, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
    I am all in favour of shorter template names, which is why I support {{c}} rather than {{cat}}. But if {{c}} causes problems for some users I have no objection to {{cat}} being used by them. I trust that {{c}} and {{cat}} are intended to be options chosen by the user, and it's not an either/or situation, where one of them wins. But I don't want to use {{cat}} myself. And I don't use HotCat. DonnanZ (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
    @DonnanZ: The proposal of the vote is to give a go ahead to certain replacements; it is not to force users to use a particular template name. If this particular proposal passes (very uncertain), you should still be able to use {{c}} but someone else may feel free to change that to {{cat}}. If {{c}} gets deprecated (not part of the proposal as written), that's going to be a different story. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. Not at all indicative of function. Yes, it categorises, but it's specifically for topical categories. Thus, {{topics}} makes more sense. Compare {{categorize}}, which is a general categorizing template. {{cat}} should redirect to {{categorize}}. —CodeCat 20:10, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
  3. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. It will mess up MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.jsInternoob 01:12, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
    Wouldn't that already be messed up with the use of {{topics}} or am I missing something? -Xbony2 (talk) 12:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
    Yes, any categories added through templates are not editable through HotCat. I mainly disagree with the go-ahead for all automatic and semi-automatic edits that replace [[Category:]] with {{cat}}, because that only takes away my ability to edit those with HotCat. —Internoob 00:21, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
  4. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per internoob.Dixtosa (talk) 07:53, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  5. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose This is not, by any means, what templates were meant for. I may be late to the party (and I may also be a lone dissenter in this respect) but this is really getting kind of ridiculous. At least things like {{label}} has the """justification""" of CSS customization, but there is no purpose for this but to save.... let me count... five characters. Five. Or seven if you prefer {{c}}, which is even worse since it's not obvious at all what "c" stands for. Because apparently WP:PAPER doesn't apply to Wiktionary. Who knew? ObſequiousNewtGeſpꝛaͤchBeÿtraͤge 17:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
    @ObsequiousNewt: In addition to saving five characters, the templates also add the correct sortkeys using the makeSortKey function in Module:languages. That is not very important for English, because sortkeys are regularly identical to page names, but it is for Ancient Greek and quite a few other languages. — Eru·tuon 20:38, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
    @Erutuon: This boils down to normalization, which strikes me as the kind of thing that should be done on the MediaWiki end rather than here. ObſequiousNewtGeſpꝛaͤchBeÿtraͤge 02:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
    @ObsequiousNewt: Certainly, but until an appropriate MediaWiki extension comes out, we have to do sortkey generation ourselves. (What sortkey generation involves depends on the language: see Module:vi-sortkey, Module:zh-sortkey, and Module:cop-sortkey for some odder examples.) — Eru·tuon 02:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
    @Erutuon: I don't think sortkey generation is really worth the trouble. I especially don't think it's worth the trouble of replacing all category links. ObſequiousNewtGeſpꝛaͤchBeÿtraͤge 02:49, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
    @ObsequiousNewt: Well, I disagree, and I (and maybe others) have already been templatizing Ancient Greek categories. Without sortkeys, the sort order would be strange, and categories would be difficult to use. There would be headings for accented letters from the Greek and Coptic or Greek Extended blocks along with the unaccented letters. ἀνήρ would be alphabetized after the heading for ω, because ω is in the Greek and Coptic block and in the Greek Extended block. ἄλλος would follow ἀνήρ, because (U+1F04) has a codepoint greater than (U+1F00). ἆθλον would come last. (That's the opposite of the expected order, ἆθλον < ἄλλος < ἀνήρ < ω.) That seems intolerable to me, so I am willing to always add categories using templates. — Eru·tuon 04:25, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
    I think that first sentence should be immortalized. I think it should be put in a box and displayed as the heading of the Votes page. ObſequiousNewtGeſpꝛaͤchBeÿtraͤge 06:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
    @ObsequiousNewt: Yes, the vote description doesn't clearly describe the current state of affairs and what would change (if that's what you mean). Practically, what the vote would do is to make official one shortcut, {{c}} or {{cat}}, for {{catlangcode}}, and to allow bots to substitute bare category links with templates. Right now, people can use any shortcut for the template, and bots can only templatize categories by request of the editors of a particular language (as was done with many or all Vietnamese category links). — Eru·tuon 21:56, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
    I feel this is not what the Newt meant/is concerned with... --Rerum scriptor (talk) 02:23, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
    Ah, I should have asked. — Eru·tuon 04:13, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
  6. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 16:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
  7. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - TheDaveRoss 16:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  8. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose, not worth it. --Robbie SWE (talk) 15:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
  9. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Per Rua (name of the template), Internoob (HotCat) and ObsequiousNewt. I've done some replacements of plain cats to {{c}} myself, but I shouldn't have. --Barytonesis (talk) 14:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Abstain for cat

  1. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain Prefer to keep as is. --Victar (talk) 19:18, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
    @Victar: In Wiktionary:Votes/2017-05/Templatizing topical categories in the mainspace, you said "Would support {{cat}}". Have you changed your mind? --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Support for c

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support -Xbony2 (talk) 01:37, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support, same reasons as in the previous vote. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 18:07, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support - better than {{cat}} and much better than {{topics}}. DonnanZ (talk) 09:21, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support As long as {{c}}, {{cat}}, and {{topics}} all work, I really don't care which one is the primary name. I definitely support letting bots get rid of bare links though. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 10:54, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Support I don’t care either about which is chosen, but I support getting rid of the vulgar syntax categories because they are ugly and take multiple lines with long names while the {{C}}, {{c}} and {{cat}} templates look fair. Palaestrator verborum (loquier) 17:37, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Oppose for c

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. Same as above, except worse. —CodeCat 20:11, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. It will mess up MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.jsInternoob 01:12, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
  3. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. Same as above. Also opposed to case-sensitive templates. --Victar (talk) 19:18, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
  4. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
  5. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - TheDaveRoss 16:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  6. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose, still not worth it. --Robbie SWE (talk) 15:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
  7. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Per Rua (name of the template), Internoob (HotCat) and ObsequiousNewt. I've done some replacements of plain cats to {{c}} myself, but I shouldn't have. --Barytonesis (talk) 14:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Abstain for c

Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain for the present. What's wrong with {{C}}? DonnanZ (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@DonnanZ: {{C}}, in contrast to {{c}}, is capitalized for no obvious reason. We have {{m}}, {{lb}}, {{l}}, {{ux}}, etc., not {{M}}, etc.
Furthermore, {{C}} in capital did not make it in Wiktionary:Votes/2017-05/Templatizing topical categories in the mainspace; I opposed there on account of the wrong capitalization. {{c}} in lowercase still has a chance. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:45, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
What you really mean is "no consensus", it didn't fail. I am now supporting {{c}}. DonnanZ (talk) 09:35, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
  1. Symbol abstain vote.svg AbstainAryaman (मुझसे बात करो) 14:39, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
  2. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 21:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
  3. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain – I've used {{c}} and {{C}}, but I don't know if they really are intuitive names, or if the names are best used in this way. — Eru·tuon 18:18, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Decision

  • Previous votes on this subject had more participants, so I would like to extend the vote. I know there is some opposition to extensions. --Dan Polansky (talk) 14:57, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
    I extended it to November 28, 2017, per your request, if no one minds. To be extra clear: I, personally, support extending the vote. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:40, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
    I extended it further to 28 December 2017. The result is tight (9:4), the last oppose was on 25 November 2017, and having the vote end on 28 Nov would expose the original extension to the accusation of being done to fish for the desired outcome. I propose to use the following extension mechanism on this vote: "If at least one new vote was cast to the vote in the last extension period, extend further by one more month, unless 6 months have already passed". --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
    I support extending the vote further this time, but unfortunately I'm not a fan of that specific extension mechanism for this or any other votes. Although it wasn't tested in practice yet, this is my first impression: If that's the only allowed extension mechanism, it's too bad that it does not tell us when to start extending a vote. For votes that were never extended, there's no "last extension period", so that rule would result in 0 votes being extended. But if there's any other secondary rule allowing the first vote extension, it seems trivial to wait for more people to cast at least 1 vote each month (especially if we ask at the BP like I did here), so it's likely that many or most extended votes would end up lasting exactly 6 months.
    I would prefer having a extension mechanism close to this: "If the current support results are between 40% to 70% (or between 60% and 70% if that's too much), invariably extend by 1 month, unless 6 months have already passed." Reason: It's to avoid "no consensus" rulings, when a few more votes could more easily tip the balance into clear support or clear oppose. As you said, right now the result for the result is tight (9:4 = 69.23%; 4:3 = 57.14%). That's why I support extending this vote. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 10:38, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
    The advantage of the mechanism I proposed is that it has no bias toward pass or fail, and therefore, it cannot be accused of having built-in fishing for a pass. As for "it's likely that many or most extended votes would end up lasting exactly 6 months", that would have to be borne out by experience. The algorithm is there only for votes that were extended at least once, and it leaves it unspecified under which conditions the first extension can take place. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
    I acknowledge that advantage you mentioned as correct: "it has no bias toward pass or fail, and therefore, it cannot be accused of having built-in fishing for a pass".
    I understand that it leaves it unspecified under which conditions the first extension can take place. It does not have to be a bad thing at all. I also understand you proposed this extension mechanism for this specific vote, where the first extension already happened and thus the question "When the first extension can take place?" does not apply. It's just something that in my opinion is a good idea to say explicitly: for future votes, it would be nice to answer that question in some way if possible.
    If there's no first-extension rule, then votes are extended and non-extended with some degree of randomness. The accusation of "fishing for votes" can be rewritten as this obviously bad extension mechanism: "Whenever the vote does not have the result I like, extend." I hope someday we can agree on an actual extension mechanism consistently applied to all votes to counter this. In all or many extended votes where I supported extension, what sold it to me was that the result was unclear prior to the extension. Which lead me to my idea above. (to repeat: when a few more votes could more easily tip the balance into clear support or clear oppose)
    As for "it's likely that many or most extended votes would end up lasting exactly 6 months", there is some experience: whenever I ask at the BP for people to vote to break a tie or to increase the turnout, people vote. Current results are 100% (that is, at least 1 people voted after I asked that). But that's from memory and I didn't get actual links and vote examples. Some exception could have happened which I forgot. My point is, I or other people can probably cause a vote to be extended whenever we want by asking people to vote (up to some reasonable limit).
    Consider game theory: That mechanism ("if 1 vote was cast last month, then extend") has a bias towards "no consensus". It works like this: if I did not vote yet, and I want to support the vote, but nobody voted this month and the vote already has a majority of support, I can't vote "support", lest I risk extending the vote and allowing other people to vote oppose next month. In other words: Waiting, not voting, is optimal if I agree with the current result. Voting, not waiting, is optimal is I disagree with the current result. This is true until someone votes this month, but we will invariably have to wait for a whole month (until six months have passed) where nobody voted and for that period this will be true again. Hence there's some bias towards changing whatever is the current result and drifting toward "no consensus". --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
    I don't see any bias towards no consensus in the proposed mechanism. I think the reasoning presented is incorrect. That speculative waiter you posit would have as the best strategy to wait until, say, one day before the current end of the vote to see whether other people have already ensured extension, and then vote accordingly. I find such speculative waiters unlikely, but even if they turned out to be real, their existence would not swing the vote toward no consensus. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:56, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
  • "Cat" has no consensus 14–9–1 (61%). "C" fails 6–7–3 (46%). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
  • In my opinion {{c}} also has no consensus. DonnanZ (talk) 16:49, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
    Perhaps you don't understand. We use the terminology of "no consensus" only in cases where there is more support than opposition, but not enough for something to pass. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:35, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
    I think that has been interpreted differently in other votes. The vote for {{c}} was actually 6-7-3. DonnanZ (talk) 12:09, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
    I've corrected my tally to include your vote change. Just so you realise, abstentions don't count toward any of this, and no, it has not been interpreted differently in other votes for many, many years. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 14:58, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
    What Metaknowledge said: "no consensus" is applied for votes that would pass under a plain-majority rules; "fail" is applied to votes that fail even under a plain-majority rule. Abstentions don't count, now as before. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:15, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Everybody, please read the intro of Wiktionary:Votes/Timeline for an explanation of "no consensus". --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:40, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    That says "When vote didn't pass, and the number of supports is approximately between 40% and 66.6% (or higher), the vote has "no consensus" as the result listed here ...": That's not how I remember our practice. The 40% got there via diff and there was 50% before; the diff does not trace the edit to any discussion or vote. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:55, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Here's the discussion: Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2016/August#Wiktionary:Votes/Timeline. There, I said I organized the timeline in such a way with a detailed report and nobody objected to it. There's no rule stating that the "No consensus" in vote pages have to start from 40% or 50%. It's just that the timeline currently uses 40% for all votes because that's how I edited it. I would object to having a 50% threshold. If the result of some vote is 4-6, that seems a clear "no consensus" to me, not "failed". It's too close to a balanced 5-5 in my opinion. Was the 50% ever discussed or voted? --Daniel Carrero (talk) 13:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Thank you. I object to the 40% figure. In that BP discussion, only two other people participated, and it is not obvious that the 40% figure reached their attention since the figure was not at the center of the thread. 50% was not voted in, but it is, as far as I remember, our common practice. Whether it is or it is not our common practice can be determined from past votes, but I feel disinclined to do so. Incidentally, I think that kind of text does not belong to Timeline page at all. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:25, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    On a marginal note, I preferred the simple formatting at this revision; when I saw the tables, I disliked them, but decided that was a fight I would not choose to fight, among all the other changes that I find detrimental and that take place in Wiktionary. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:29, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Just as well this wasn't the UK EU referendum with a 52/48% split, where we are now faced with the prospect of leaving the EU. I would interpret the result as a situation where users are able to use whichever they prefer, {{cat}} or {{c}}. I will carry on using {{c}} DonnanZ (talk) 13:40, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Alright, I understand you (Dan Polansky) object to the 40% figure. We may want to discuss/vote about the threshold as a community and create a proper rule to Wiktionary:Voting policy. I would support having some actual rule for this. Even though, as we know, both "failed" and "no consensus" mean the same thing in practice -- that whatever is proposed in a certain vote does not happen or get implemented at all.
You said common practice can be determined from past votes, so I'd like to comment about this. In the timeline, there are currently 742 votes, of which 114 are "no consensus". The "no consensus" currently starts at 40% because of my edits. It's roughly a 7:1 ratio. A minority of votes are "no consensus" votes. (This may not include votes with multiple options, with reported results in the timeline like "option 3 passed" where it's not clear whether options 1 and 2 are "failed" or "no consensus".)
I suppose a bot could give an accurate report of uses of "failed" and "no consensus" by reading all these 114 pages, looking for instances of these two character strings and counting the number of votes per page.
Aside from that, I already took the time to read all the 742 votes. Most of those I read in 2016, for the purpose of editing the timeline. To be precise, I quickly visually scanned them and skipped some repetitive things like tons of support in admin votes, but I paid a lot of attention to the vote numbers and results. From my inexact human memory, I can say this: The few votes that did have results around 50% to 66% seemed to randomly vary around "failed" and "no consensus" without consistency. So a vote with (for example) 58% support still seemed to have a good chance of being marked either "failed" or "no consensus" if we count all those years since the first vote in 2003. A bot can probably confirm this as said above. I'm pretty sure there was at least one vote with more than 66,6% which did NOT pass for some reason, but I didn't remember which vote.
P.S.: There's a bit of a conversation about the 40% at the end of Wiktionary:Votes/2017-07/Rename categories. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Nloveladyallen for admin

Nomination: I hereby nominate Nloveladyallen (talkcontribs) as a local English Wiktionary Administrator. Won WT:FUN and hasn't pissed anyone off.

Schedule:

  • Vote starts: 13:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote created: Gente como tú (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Acceptance: The current belief seems to be that I'm WF. I promise I'm not, not that anyone will/should take my word for it. There are better reasons to not admin me, like that I've only been editing in earnest for a few months. But what the hell, I'll accept and see what happens.

  • Languages: en, es-2
  • Timezone: UTC-5/4 (EST/EDT)
Nloveladyallen (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Support

Symbol support vote.svg Support User seems trustworthy, and we're in sore need of admins. --Rerum scriptor (talk) 20:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
But such easy admining shall not generalize. This is gambling – we shall not just lay bets but be positively certain that someone is not Wonderfool. Palaestrator verborum sis loquier 🗣 22:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Switched my vote to abstain. --Rerum scriptor (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support DTLHS (talk) 00:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose - I have always assumed that he is the latest WF incarnation. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:59, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
    Really? I can understand why someone would think that. But this guy does Greek and edits on a mobile, both very un-Wonderfoolish behaviours --Gente como tú (talk) 14:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose both look like Wonderfool. Palaestrator verborum sis loquier 🗣 15:12, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
  3. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I am not willing to throw this person under the WF bus, however they should get more experience before becoming an admin. - TheDaveRoss 14:53, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
  4. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. Not enough edits. For that matter, why should one take seriously a nomination by a newcomer (Gente como tú) editing only since last month and without very many edits. One doesn't need to resolve identity issues in this case. DCDuring (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
    @DCDuring: That's not a newcomer, it's WF. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 17:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
    I was referring to a username that does not explicitly succeed a previous user name. Why bother with the WF question? DCDuring (talk) 17:38, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
  5. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. Obviously an unknown quantity, and it's a very cheeky nomination. DonnanZ (talk) 15:29, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
  6. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Less than 200 edits. Of course it's nothing against the user him/herself, but when I look at an admin nomination and have never seen this username before until now, that's definitely not a good sign. @User:Gente como tú, you can't just nominate people for adminship based on some kind of dare or winning some game or something, as you suggested on the user's talk page. The user has to have extensive experience, good standing in the community, and undoubtful trust. Like I said, I don't really know the user that well, but the grounds for this nomination are weaker than any I've ever seen here. With this few edits a user really should not be an admin. To conclude, adminship IMO should come to users who've been here for a long enough time to say they're experienced, edited quite a lot in that time frame, and most importantly have good and trustworthy stands in the community. The votes above don't indicate that this user can be trusted so well, at least yet. PseudoSkull (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
    As far as whether or not I think it's Wonderfool, I don't have an opinion. However, this is all-the-more reason to edit here longer. A few people used to think I might be WF, but after editing here longer that's not something I hear anymore. The differences between a user who creates sockpuppets regularly and a different editor entirely are easier to establish over a longer period of time. And I'm saying this assuming the nominated user is not WF, which I'm not even trying to say with any confirmation. PseudoSkull (talk) 20:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
  7. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. Per TheDaveRoss, DCDuring and PseudoSkull; too few edits, though the quality is promising. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
  8. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. I have made far more contributions than this user, yet I don't think it's enough (frequency-wise) for me to be an admin. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 18:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
    Apparently I have made more than 100,000 edits, but I'm not admin material. DonnanZ (talk) 11:26, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  9. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose -Xbony2 (talk) 21:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
  10. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose because it's too early. User seems good and I can imagine supporting this at some future time when they have more work under their belt. Equinox 00:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  11. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose – I had no idea that WT:Christmas Competition 2017 was about adminship... 😉 — Eru·tuon 01:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  12. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose mellohi! (僕の乖離) 16:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  13. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose --Victar (talk) 19:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
    Too late, mate. The vote has finished. DonnanZ (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

  1. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain Obviously not WF, he can't keep an account for three years. But there's no real reason for the user to be adminned. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 17:46, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
     @AryamanA what is so obvious about it? He is nominated by Wonderfool, has mainly done Spanish edits, and now he answers on this page like he knows who “WF” is, which is much archive reading for so few edits, and he revisits his old entries as in diff which he has back in 2006 or so nominated for the Word of the Day. That is Wonderfool. Don’t you expect some new guises? Palaestrator verborum sis loquier 🗣 22:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
    I haven't trolled through any archives to find out who Wonderfool is. He was mentioned to me in a thread in the Christmas competition. As for my edit on fuck, that's hardly an obscure enough word to make a connection IMO. Nloveladyallen (talk) 23:19, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
    @Nloveladyallen: Here ya go. He's a very prolific editor who deleted the main page a while ago and has been switching accounts every few months since. WF has a history of self-nominations (indeed, the nominator and the one supporter seem to both be WF), but he also nominates other users from time to time. I don't think you're WF but I still think adminship can wait. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 00:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
    You mean he likes to nominate people who seem to look like him but aren’t (which he knows as he is not them)? That of course is also a point. If one shall be admin, it is imperative to look different from him, I infer – however unpleasant it is to have someone else as a yardstick. About Rerum scriptor, I mostly tend to think that he is one of those weird French people. Palaestrator verborum sis loquier 🗣 00:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
  2. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain A bit soon. --Rerum scriptor (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
  3. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain Just not familiar enough with this user to make a comprehensive determination Leasnam (talk) 18:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Decision

Fails 1–12–3. This was stupidly pointless, and if I had been online when it happened, I would've blocked WF before we had to waste our time on it. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


Restricting Thesaurus to English

Voting on: Restricting Wiktionary:Thesaurus to English, moving current content of non-English thesaurus entries to the mainspace and then deleting the non-English entries.

Rationale: see Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2017-11/Restricting Thesaurus to English#Rationale. The voters only vote on the proposed action, not on the rationale.

Schedule:

  • Vote starts: 00:00, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote created: Dan Polansky (talk) 10:18, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Discussion:

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support as long as there won't be a proper infrastructure for handling several languages; Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose if/once that condition is met. I think I've been convinced 1) that this endeavour shouldn't be too redundant with the efforts of other Wiktionaries, and 2) that it's indeed a good thing to have everything in a single place. --Barytonesis (talk) 00:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. My reasons are in (talk page)#Oppose. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. — Ungoliant (falai) 16:56, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
  3. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Daniel's arguments. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 15:05, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
    Also, pages in other languages with many meronyms/hyponyms can function as highly useful themed pages of vocabulary for people learning another language. For instance, příbuzný for Czech could be highly useful to someone trying to build basic vocabulary in that language. In its current state, the Thesaurus isn't overly useful, but if used this way for FL's, it could have many benefits. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 15:13, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  4. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. My reasoning is laid down in (talk page)#Oppose. Palaestrator verborum (loquier) 17:03, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  5. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose -Xbony2 (talk) 02:58, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
  6. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose mellohi! (僕の乖離) 03:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
  7. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose --WikiTiki89 17:44, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
  8. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose PseudoSkull (talk) 02:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  9. Symbol oppose vote.svg OpposeAryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 14:37, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  10. Symbol oppose vote.svg OpposeMatthias Buchmeier (talk) 20:23, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  11. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. I think that an organisational system is needed, but this vote (which never had any real community support) is not the proper way to bring it about. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:25, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  12. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Jberkel 11:50, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
  13. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Tijmen Wil (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

  1. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain The advantages of the restriction are considerable, as noted on the talk page; it would simplify a lot of things, including use {{ws|term}} vs., for Spanish, {{ws|es|term}}, language indication in thesaurus page name (largely no lang indication yet; examples could be Thesaurus:Hindi/water, Thesaurus:pt:autêntico, Thesaurus:Polish:złoczyńca), having search function automatically restrained to English entries, etc. However, overall, the English Wiktionary is designed to be multilingual in all its facets, including topical categories and rhymes, and keeping the thesaurus multilingual fits better into this. Moreover, thesauri in other Wiktionaries may take a slightly different approach (French one does) and therefore, a language like French can get a kind of treatment in the English Wiktionary Thesaurus that it does not get in the French Wiktionary Thesaurus and vice versa; there surely are redundancies between the thesauri in different Wiktionaries but also complementarities. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
    About {{ws|term}} vs., for Spanish, {{ws|es|term}}: even if we keep the Thesaurus in all languages, I have reason to believe there's no need to add the langcode to that template until proved otherwise. If the page is named like Thesaurus:Hindi/water, Thesaurus:pt:autêntico or Thesaurus:Polish:złoczyńca, then {{ws}} can automatically get the language name from the page title.
    Obviously, automatically getting the language from the page title is impossible if the page is named like this: Thesaurus:autêntico. But the template can still use Lua to transcribe the whole current page and look for the first L2, which is ==Portuguese==, so even still {{ws}} does not need to have a langcode.
    I support keeping {{ws}} without a langcode and use some template tricks as described above to get the code automatically. If that's proved to be impossible or if cross-language links are needed, then I completely change my mind and support making the langcode required in {{ws}}. Having the langcode would not be a disaster. We are used to having langcodes everywhere, like {{en-noun}}. (Simple Wiktionary uses {{noun}})
    Furthermore, I support eventually having some consistent Thesaurus page title with the language somewhere in the title. It works fine for Rhymes. We have Rhymes:English/ʌm, so we could have Thesaurus:English/good (replacing the current Thesaurus:good). --Daniel Carrero (talk) 10:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
    Elsewhere, I have explained that Thesaurus:Polish:złoczyńca (or Thesaurus:pl:złoczyńca) is preferable to Thesaurus:Polish:villain: it enables the automatic linking of further thesaurus pages via {{ws}}, like in Thesaurus:bird. I accept that {{ws}} could pick the lang code from the page title; still, I remember that on some pages even the current {{ws}} started choking because of the number of items calling it, so making {{ws}} make more things can make these problems worse. In any case, the general point that multiple languages complicate things stands. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Decision

Fails 1–13–1. —Stephen (Talk) 00:00, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


User:Vorziblix for admin

Nomination: I hereby nominate Vorziblix (talkcontribs) as a local English Wiktionary Administrator. This user's work ethic, accuracy, and research ability has been exemplary. I have always been impressed with their responsiveness to requests and the speed with which they fulfill them. Vorziblix is often renaming pages to conform with our now-extensive Egyptian policies, and the ability to delete incorrect pages would truly aid this user's indefatigable efforts. I'm hoping this user will expand to become a great Afro-Asiatic editor. —*i̯óh₁nC[5] 06:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Schedule:

  • Vote starts: 06:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote created: —*i̯óh₁nC[5] 06:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Acceptance:

  • Languages: sh-N, en-N, egy-2, cu-2, enm-2, ru-2, de-2, sl-1, cmn-1, jbo-1, la-1
  • Timezone: usually UTC-6 or UTC-5, now and then UTC+1
I accept. Thank you, — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 06:42, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support*i̯óh₁nC[5] 06:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg SupportΜετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:51, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support Equinox 10:42, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 11:53, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support Wyang (talk) 15:08, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg SupportAryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 15:22, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg SupportUngoliant (falai) 16:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg SupportSemperBlotto (talk) 16:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg SupportPalaestrator verborum sis loquier 🗣 19:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  10. Symbol support vote.svg SupportEru·tuon 00:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  11. Symbol support vote.svg Support, of course. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  12. Symbol support vote.svg Support, naturally. --Robbie SWE (talk) 09:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  13. Symbol support vote.svg Support - TheDaveRoss 13:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  14. Symbol support vote.svg Support: much needed area. --Victar (talk) 19:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  15. Symbol support vote.svg SupportSGconlaw (talk) 04:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
  16. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Vahag (talk) 15:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
  17. Symbol support vote.svg Support -Xbony2 (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
  18. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Calak (talk) 10:56, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  19. Symbol support vote.svg Support PseudoSkull (talk) 16:46, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  20. Symbol support vote.svg Support Kaixinguo~enwiktionary (talk) 16:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  21. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Rerum scriptor (talk) 10:31, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

Abstain

Decision


Conrad.Irwin for desysoppage

Voting on: Removing admin powers from Conrad.Irwin (talkcontribs). One of the politest and most helpful Wiktionarians ever. No edits since 2014.

Schedule:

  • Vote starts: 00:00, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote created: Gente como tú (talk) 15:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support I'm always confusing him with User:Connel MacKenzie and User:Yair rand. --Rerum scriptor (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
    Yair still pops up now and again (hell, now that you've pinged him, he might even vote). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
    I don't like voting in desysop votes... It always feels way too final. Needs to be done though, I suppose. --Yair rand (talk) 09:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support - can always be reinstated without a vote if he turns up SemperBlotto (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg SupportΜετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support, per SemperBlotto. I notice that some of Conrad's scripts in his userspace (including some listed in PREFS) are protected and some are unprotected (thereby subject to the default rules of being only editable by the owner of the userspace and admins). Should they all be unprotected so that he can still edit them, or maybe all protected for security reasons? --Yair rand (talk) 09:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support. I was going to make a comment on the pointlessness of the Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2017-03/Desysopping for inactivity vote, then I realised it's about something else. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 18:30, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
    Comment moved to Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2018/January#Desysopping_for_inactivity --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 20:31, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Support -Xbony2 (talk) 02:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg SupportInternoob 05:25, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg Support Where did he go? I know none of you can answer, but whenever "internet death" occurs, I'm always left wondering... PseudoSkull (talk) 08:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
    I think he got a job as Wikimedia ambassador to one of the big US libraries or something. Equinox 14:47, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
    Note that in the case that he ever comes back and is active again, I am in favor of immediate resysopping. PseudoSkull (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
    @Equinox, wasn't that Dmcdevit?​—msh210 (talk) 16:10, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
    Oh! You are very possibly right, yeah. Sorry. Equinox 05:07, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    His name is on this (scroll to the bottom). —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 03:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg Support, per SemperBlotto. Leasnam (talk) 18:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I hoped that Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2017-03/Desysopping for inactivity would end these desysop-for-inactivity votes, but alas. Anyway, I see no reason to depart from the principles of that vote (that that policy goes unenforced is beside the point). Conrad.Irwin's last admin action was in August 2014, so that would suggest desysopping can go ahead after about 3.5 years. That period is too short, in my opinion. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 11:19, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose We have an established policy for this process, and there are no extenuating circumstances that lead me to believe we should deviate from it. - TheDaveRoss 13:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
  3. Symbol oppose vote.svg OpposeAryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 14:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
  4. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per TheDaveRoss. (Though actually that's just a convenience excuse; my real reason is that Conrad.Irwin is great, and I hope he'll come back.) —RuakhTALK 07:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  5. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose DonnanZ (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  6. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per TheDaveRoss — Bukhari (Talk!) 09:23, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  7. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per LBD and TDR. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 16:16, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
  8. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per the above comments. Finsternish (talk) 19:57, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
    Late oppose per Lingo Bingo Dingo and TheDaveRoss; desysopping for inactivity is governed by Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2017-03/Desysopping for inactivity and requires no per-admin vote. The present vote was created by Wonderfool (User:Gente como tú, User:Rerum scriptor), who liked to create desysop votes and was disappointed when that occasion ceased, per Wiktionary_talk:Votes/pl-2017-03/Desysopping_for_inactivity#No more WF votes?. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:07, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    @Dan Polansky One tiny quibble: Rerum scriptor is not Wonderfool, though the vote creator is. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Lingo Bingo Dingo: I find it likely that Rerum scriptor is Wonderfool. There are multiple hints; one is that the user name is a pun on another user's name; another one is the creation of Wiktionary:Votes/bc-2018-01/User:Dvortygirl for debureaucrating, which is Wonderfool's sport. There are other signs, I believe. --Dan Polansky (talk) 14:14, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    By the way, User talk:Rerum scriptor is a conversation WF is having with himself. --Dan Polansky (talk) 14:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    @Dan Polansky See User talk:Per utramque cavernam#Adminship. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:25, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Rerum scriptor is (was?) pretending to be WF, but is actually Barytonesis. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 14:34, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Thank you. My mistake, then. --Dan Polansky (talk) 14:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

Decision

Fails 9–8. —Stephen (Talk) 11:47, 30 January 2018 (UTC)


User:Koavf for admin

Nomination: I hereby nominate Koavf (talkcontribs) as a local English Wiktionary Administrator. Friendly, polite and experienced contributor; I believe he'll put the admin tools to good use.

See User_talk:Koavf#Adminship for previous discussion.

Schedule:

  • Vote starts: 10:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote created: Rerum scriptor (talk) 10:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Acceptance:

  • Languages: en-N, es-2, de-1, pt-1 (and 1 on other Romance languages)
  • Timezone: UTC+ 4
Thanks to Rerum for the nomination. @Equinox, PseudoSkull: who commented on my talk regarding this. Also @AryamanA, Daniel Carrero, Donnanz who may have opinions on this topic pro- or con- and @Metaknowledge, DTLHS, wikitiki89, xbony2, Andrew Sheedy, Victar, Robbie SWE, Mahagaja, Vahagn Petrosyan since they voted on me before for another issue. I would encourage everyone to take a look at this unsuccessful CheckUser vote and the recent discussion of de-sysopping 19 admins for context, and this cross-activity tool or Special:CentralAuth/Koavf to get an idea of what I do around the WMF projects and how I've used advanced user rights elsewhere; I've been on this project since 2005 and have become much more active since 2013 or so. If anyone has concerns, questions, etc. I'll be happy to address them. —Justin (koavf)TCM 14:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support -Xbony2 (talk) 15:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support We did have a serious clash a while ago, but since then we have been able to co-operate. So I'm prepared to give Justin a chance, he would probably be a better admin than I ever would (I have no ambitions). DonnanZ (talk) 16:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support, you had me at "ping" :-) --Robbie SWE (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support I know this user to be extremely nice and happy and positive. Also, Koavf is a very trustworthy editor both here and on other projects, and has been here a long time. He really knows his way around and knows what he's doing, and clearly enjoys to do what he does. PseudoSkull (talk) 18:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support I have encountered Koavf across several Wikimedia projects and though we have had disagreements, his manner is polite and respectful. Green Giant (talk) 23:54, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Tom 144 (𒄩𒇻𒅗𒀸) 00:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg Support I had oppositions to Koavf being a bureaucrat, but I think he'd be a great admin. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करेंयोगदान) 15:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg SupportJberkel 15:49, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg Support Equinox 22:23, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  10. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 00:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
  11. Symbol support vote.svg Support = TheDaveRoss 13:05, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
  12. Symbol support vote.svg SupportVorziblix (talk · contribs) 21:04, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
  13. Symbol support vote.svg SupportMahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 09:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
  14. Symbol support vote.svg SupportUngoliant (falai) 01:06, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  15. Symbol support vote.svg Support ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:39, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

Abstain

Decision

Passes 15–0. Could a bureaucrat amend my user rights, please? Thanks to whomever does and everyone for the vote of confidence. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:46, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Done. Add your name to WT:Admins, please. —Stephen (Talk) 00:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Dvortygirl for debureaucrating

Nomination: Removing bureaucrat powers from Dvortygirl (talkcontribs). Practically inactive.

Schedule:

  • Vote starts: 12:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
    • Vote extended to 23:59, 25 February 2018 (UTC), a month after a notification was posted to the talk page of Dvortygirl. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:07, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Vote created: Rerum scriptor (talk) 12:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support 4 edits in 2017, 4 edits in 2016, and so on. Marginally active, but this user would have no need for the 'crat tools. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:49, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support - While I would much prefer she return to the project, and I would much prefer we simply had a policy for removal after a period of inactivity, I think it is best that we not have inactive bureaucrats. - TheDaveRoss 15:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support: I agree with Dave above. --Victar (talk) 01:30, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg SupportInternoob 04:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support Last edit is from 28 August 2017; last admin action is from 9 February 2013, nearly 5 years ago. (Special:Contributions/Dvortygirl, Special:Log/Dvortygirl). This does seem worthy of debureucrating to me per no admin action for nearly 5 years, and such a policy was proposed in Wiktionary:Votes/2017-05/Removing bureaucrat and checkuser rights for inactivity. While that policy had no consensus, the reasons for opposition varied: two opposers wanted the inactivity be specified in terms of editing, not admin actions; one opposer of that policy said that 5 years was too long, and two opposers did not state their reasons.

    I would like to encourage voters in the present vote to state their reasons so that we can see what sort of policy has the best chance of passing. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:34, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

  6. Symbol support vote.svg Conditional support if Dvortygirl hasn't used admin or bureaucrat tools (analogous to "Desysopping for inactivity") when this vote ends on 25 February 2018. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg Conditional support same as Lingo Bingo Dingo above Finsternish (talk) 21:15, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg Conditional support same as Lingo Bingo Dingo and Finsternish. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 13:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg SupportSaltmarsh. 05:34, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose At least Dvortygirl has a user page. DonnanZ (talk) 14:43, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
    Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose, but only marginally. I think she should be notified of an impending removal of powers with about a month response time, so she can decide whether she wants to keep them or not. My understanding is that supporting this vote would permit immediate removal of bureaucrat rights. Her last admin action was in February 2013 however, so that was almost 5 years ago. I think 5 years of non-use is in principle a good criterion for debureaucratting as well. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:56, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
    Yes, this is rather bad form to do this in her back. I've left a message on her talkpage. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
    Changed vote to "conditional support". ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Same reason as above. Finsternish (talk) 13:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
    @Finsternish: Which reasons? Those of Donnanz or those of Lingo Bingo Dingo? --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:35, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Lingo Bingo Dingo. Finsternish (talk) 11:16, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    @Finsternish. Thank you. Lingo Bingo Dingo says: " I think 5 years of non-use is in principle a good criterion for debureaucratting as well". And that criterion is now nearly met, per my comment: just a couple of days are missing to make up 5 years since last admin action. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:25, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    It looks to me like what they meant by "in principle" was that it made sense to simply try to inform her, give it a month, and then do it, but that otherwise 5 years was plenty of time. Finsternish (talk) 11:59, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    @Finsternish: There is now a notification at User_talk:Dvortygirl#Transparency, from 24 January 2018. Would you be okay with debureaucratting on 25 February 2018 if we do not hear from Dvortygirl until then? --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Of course. Finsternish (talk) 12:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    @Dan Polansky, Finsternish Finsternish's reading of "in principle" is correct, my opposition depended on the lack of in-built response time. So removing bureaucrat privileges on 25 February would be all right in my book. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:48, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    @Lingo Bingo Dingo: Since Dvortygirl was notified and since I extended the vote to Feb 25, what would you think about a conditional support, like "Conditional support if Dvortygirl does not oppose until Feb 25", "Conditional support if, by February 25, Dvortygirl does not express a wish to keep the flag" or whatever wording you prefer? --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    Yes check.svg Done ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
    also Yes check.svg Done Finsternish (talk) 21:15, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

  1. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain for now. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
  2. I think we should follow the principle of least privilege, and not have inactive bureaucrats, but I also think that since she has still been around the site, editing within the last six months, it would be better to reach out and see if she wants to try to be more active, or conversely would give up her bureaucrat rights since she is not using them. - -sche (discuss) 23:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  3. I agree with -sche. I'm not on Twitter, but via Google, I see Dvortygirl (or at least, someone with the same real-world name she used to have, looking similar and having similar interests) is, as @Dvortygirl, if anyone wants to contact her. --Enginear 17:57, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Decision


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