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Translation help[edit]

Please could you look at the entries for parrot and listen and add any translations you can? (such as Martuthunira) Thank you. --EncycloPetey 02:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, it would help if you added a Babel template to your user page, listing the languages you are comfortable with. Often we have need of help in a specific language. Your user name "nadando" means "swimming" in Spanish, so people will assume you know Spanish. --EncycloPetey 02:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Extra comjugation template for chamuscar[edit]

I saw your 'chamuscar' entry and conjugation template. To keep the # of conjugation templates down please use one of the existing model templates. For example, I changed chamuscar to use the standard es-conj-car template (passing it the stem "chamus"). See [[Category:Spanish conjugation templates]] or Appendix:Spanish verbs if you're looking for a template to use (we should have one for every Spanish verb).

Salish-Pend d'Oreille language[edit]

Is this the English name for the language? It's not listed in the article on Wikipedia for w:Salishan languages. --EncycloPetey 23:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Should it be w:Kalispel-Pend d'Oreille? --EncycloPetey 23:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I found the name of the language in an article in Natural History, wikipedia has an article on the wikipedia:Pend d'Oreilles but they say the language is named 'Kalispel-Pend d'Oreille', with Pend d'Oreille as a dialect Nadando 23:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Which is what SIL and Ethnologue also have. --EncycloPetey 00:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Should the language name be changed?
Yes. We follow the standard when all three sources agree, unless there's a pending name change at Ethnologue or SIL. --EncycloPetey 00:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, could you delete Category:Salish-Pend d'Oreille language and I'll change the four pages I've created to Category:Kalispel-Pend d'Oreille language and recreate itNadando 00:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


When you use a "form of" template like {{plural of}} or {{past of}}, please be sure to enclose the lemma in square brackets. Although the template will still finction correctly without the brackets, a page that has no wikilinks is not counted towards our page total (as displayed on the main page). It's stupid but true. --EncycloPetey 00:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

good to see you[edit]

hey nadando its --TheRaccoon 18:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC) i was wondering what can i help you with?


Hi there. See Wiktionary:Milestones SemperBlotto 22:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


Take a look to see how I've taken an alternative approach. We do have the option for a Trivia section, and a significant fraction of users here appreciate the information. Of course, I completely agree with the removal of the other information you eliminated. --EncycloPetey 03:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

site map[edit]

Please take a look at how I adjusted your edit. You may not have known about this use of the template syntax; it is very useful. --EncycloPetey 05:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Link to Spanish Wikipedia[edit]

If you want to, you can link Spanish articles to the Spanish Wikipedia - see dióxido de azufre as an example. SemperBlotto 22:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


Well, thanks for trying. :-) —RuakhTALK 23:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirection due to case not required[edit]

Thank you very much for informing me re: the aforecited.
Blot: blessings in blood
सर्वे भवन्तु सुखिनः।
B9 hummingbird hovering 05:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


I see that you have entered a lot of Saanich words. You may not be aware that you were using a source that only gives the pronunciation, but not the actually spelling. All of those words should be moved to the correct spelling in standard Saanich orthography. For example, while the word Saanich is pronounce "Sənčaθən", it is written SENĆOŦEN (Saanich orthography has no lowercase). —Stephen 21:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Redirects[edit]

I was not aware, thanks. What is the bot called? Just curious. Sesshomaru 21:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

So, is there a list of redirects? Perhaps on a special page? Sesshomaru 22:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
That sounds good. I noticed that titles (like Superman and Batman) are capitalised. And should the box on zero gravity be changed to {{wikipedia|dab=Zero gravity (disambiguation)|Zero gravity}} or should there be two boxes? Sesshomaru 22:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Now you lost me. Does this mean use a redirect for failure as well? The box there targets the disambiguation page on Wikipedia instead of the same name article. Which is incorrect? Sesshomaru 22:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
How were my recent edits to failure‎ and zero gravity? Good I presume? Sesshomaru 06:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

grc etymologies[edit]

A couple things about xylem: First, almost every Ancient Greek word has an accent (there are a few pronouns and connecting words which don't, but this is very rare in words in general). If you don't know the accent, throw a {{rfscript|Greek|spelling check}} on the entry and someone will take care of it. Also, you may want to take a look at Wiktionary:Ancient Greek Romanization and Pronunciation for the romanization standards, as it'd be nice to keep this uniform across Wiktionary. Finally, {{etyl}} works for every language. The old-style templates are still acceptable, so if you'd prefer to keep using them, there's nothing wrong with that; I just wanted to make sure you knew (I always change them to etyl when I redo an etymology for any other reason). That being said, your edit was still a vast improvement over what was there previously, and is genuinely appreciated. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 19:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


Hey there. Noting Wiktionary:Beer parlour#WT:MILE, and especially that I've seen you do good work in Spanish articles for a while, would you mind if I nominated you for admin? Dmcdevit·t 04:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Unexplained removals[edit]

There are a couple of users reverting my good faith edits to failure, zero gravity, and vampire as if it was vandalism. Perhaps you can chime in? Sesshomaru 03:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for your help. I am very new to Wiktionary, but am a long-time contributor to Wikipedia. Thanks so much! Cuyler91093 05:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


Are you sure about the Italian word naccaro? It isn't in any of my Italian dictionaries. Italian -pedia article w:it:Mardeperla doesn't mention it. SemperBlotto 16:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


According to your edit, the word entered New Latin from English. [1] That is not correct; the Latin word gave rise to the English, not the other way around. --EncycloPetey 03:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Sysop tools[edit]

Hi, Dvortygirl kindly agreed to flip your bit so you'll notice that you've a few more buttons to play will - I believe there is a help page floating around in User:ArielGlenns userspace if you want a bit of guidance. Could you please add yourself to the bottom of WT:A. Have fun! Conrad.Irwin 15:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


Please remember to use square wikilinks in those templates, or the pages will not count as "good" articles. --EncycloPetey 23:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


It is important in giving etymologies from Latin verbs (as in creer), to note that it comes from the present active infinitive, since there three different active infinitive forms of a verb in Latin. --EncycloPetey 06:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I should be more specific. I'll remember that. Nadando 06:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
One more thing: the usual ISO abbreviation for Latin is la. Although lat should work in most cases, the two-letter code is the one used by the Latin edition of Wiktionary. --EncycloPetey 06:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


We don't mark short vowels on Latin entries (see WT:ALA). Most major dictionaries don't, and most fonts don't reliably display them correctly anyway. --EncycloPetey 03:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I was just going off of what the RAE gave for the etymology. Thanks though. Nadando 03:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
The RAE has the annoying habit of omitting macrons that "everyone knows are supposed to be there". That is, they assume the reader is familiar enough with ending patterns to deduce the macrons without explicitly giving them. I wouldn't recommend relying on the RAE for macron placement. --EncycloPetey 03:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


Hey, thank you for reverting and taking care of edits by  :) --Dijan 10:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


Spanish nouns ending in -ción usually drop the accept in the plural. The RAE agrees on this one. --EncycloPetey 23:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup#θikʷt[edit]

FYI: Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup#θikʷt. —RuakhTALK 11:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


FYI: Luo is a specific language (i.e. classed [Individual] by ISO/SIL). It does happen to be in a language family or group also called "Luo". Robert Ullmann 17:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


Sorry, that was me creating that entry - was taking a few goes to get it right: should have logged in first and used the preview function, but was being lazy...


I am an experienced wikipedian who loves making good userpages. Would you mind if i made you a totally awesome user page? Or talk page? Reply on my talk page. Cheers!



Is it really worthwhile to have this category in addition to Category:Dwarf planets? A plutoid is simply a trans-Neptunian dwarf planet. --EncycloPetey 01:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably not- the additional classification isn't worth it. I'll delete it. Nadando 01:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


The Spanish sufrir actually comes from sufferō, not directly from ferō. --EncycloPetey 07:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


FYI: vandal only accounts, i.e. new accounts with no other edits and explicit vandalism (that can't be mistakes) just get blocked infinitely. No reason to invite them back. If the same person wants to be constructive, they can pick another name. Robert Ullmann 03:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

oh, you also reverted L to a previously vandalized version (which should have been caught sooner?). Watch the results of rollbacks ;-) Robert Ullmann 04:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice work[edit]

Very nice tag-team work on the gastroenterology and entero- entries. Thanks! --Gabeedman 03:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Appendix:Proto-Indo-European *yugóm[edit]

I think it might be better to leave borrowings and such out of these pages, and keep it strictly for natural descendants. The descendants lists are already fairly long, and if we open it up to borrowings, things will quickly get out of hand, I fear. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh- you're probably right. But I have seen them included on other proto pages. Maybe it's better to leave them if there are no other descendants from that language. There are for *yugóm (yoke) so I guess it can be removed. Nadando 01:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't think we need to make a huge deal out of rooting them out of every single one, but I think it a good idea not to get into the practice of including them. And this does not need to be an iron clad rule. Some borrowings, especially really old ones, might be worth keeping. Thanks for removing jugular. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


This is not an ISO language code, and is certainly not the code for Old Tupi. It is the generic code for "South American Indigenous" languages. Please go back and restore {{Tupi.}} wherever you removed it. --EncycloPetey 16:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but {{tpw}} might be the right one for this per this. It's kind of confusing a language, some of its descendants, and the language family are all called Tupi. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 18:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
It looks as though {{tpw}} is correct for this language. Thanks for finding that. --EncycloPetey 19:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
All the instances of {{sai}} (in entries at least) have been switched to {{tpw}}. {{sai}} has been changed from Old Tupi to South American Indian. I think this resolves the matter. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 21:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


Thank you very much. Mallerd 01:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

New Spanish user[edit]

We have a new user (User:Esteban.barahona) fluent in Spanish who is eager to help out but is still learning about Wiktionary. --EncycloPetey 04:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, always good to have new people (especially fluent... my Spanish is not that good). Nadando 05:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


Hmm.. so he is. His edits were showing up an unpatrolled in the RC, but I guess that was just time lag. --EncycloPetey 22:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Dotted etymology templates[edit]

I know that you were replacing lots of old etymology templates with their generic {{etyl}} counterparts (thank you by the way). When you listed them on Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Others#Dotted_etymology_templates you didn't show the code you were using. I just editted that section to show the proper codes to use. Could you go back and make sure that's what you were using? Thanks. Cheers. --Bequw¢τ 06:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Fore derivations[edit]

Are all the languages now dependent upon those hidden "subpages" for proper functioning? Is that documented somewhere, so that editors will know what to do? It certainly caught me by surprise. --EncycloPetey 19:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know- that's the way I've always had to do it (see Category:Shoshone derivations and others)- all other etymology pages have these. If there's a better way without using topic cat templates I don't know it. Nadando 19:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


In the spirit of avoiding the "see also" whenever possible, I have changed it to ====Hypernyms==== for this entry. This header is used for more inclusive words to which the current entry belongs. The opposite is "Hyponyms", so melón could list sandía as a hyponym. In between these two is "Coordinate terms", so the entry for each kind of melon could list other kinds of melons as coordinate terms. --EncycloPetey 20:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


I've got a working list of Latin verbs I've "done" and those I'm going to be adding soon at User:EncycloPetey/Laboratorium#1st Conjugation, in case you'd like to look for other Latin verbs where I've neglected to add the Spanish descendants. --EncycloPetey 19:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Conjugation of solver[edit]

Dear Nadando, I have some doubt about the conjugation of solver, which I would guess to go like resolver, however I could not find any reference conjugation (RAE does not have it). I seems that You have added the conjugation table to the page of solver, and the verb to to feed of [User:BuchmeierBot]]. Are You sure about this conjugation ? Matthias Buchmeier 10:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


I've started a VOTE on implementing this template in place of the existing ones. --EncycloPetey 00:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)



I'm restoring the 'fact' tag. There is disagreement on how this should be pronounced, and I have never been able to find anything the least bit authoritative. Kwamikagami 01:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


{{et-nationality}} is now gone twice as fast as I thought. Cheers! Conrad.Irwin 00:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


I created this entry earlier today, but couldn't find a conjugation table template suitable for it. Is there one that I just couldn't find, or will I need to make one (by modifying the salir template to support compounds)? Also, can you think of any other compounds with salir? --EncycloPetey 00:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep, it's conjugated like salir, so that template will have to be modified. Resalir also has the same conjugation pattern. Nadando 00:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm going off-line for a while, so if you're eager to do the work, then you're welcome to tackle this. Otherwise, I'll make the changes later this evening. --EncycloPetey 00:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Sure, I've made the appropriate changes. Nadando 00:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


According to the RAE, this does not mean heteronym. The RAE defines this as words of separate etymological origin with the same or nearly the same meaning, but it does not require that they be spelled the same. --EncycloPetey 05:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, you're right. Nadando 05:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


Just a note that I've moved this to {{quc}}, per [2] and [3] (also interesting to note that, per [4], all K'iche's seem to soon be covered under the single code, instead of by the half dozen or so under the current setup). If I've screwed up, please call me on it. Thanks. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 06:42, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Christmas Competition[edit]

Your extension to Game 1 was not valid. Interposing words must be at least 6 letters, and the letters of the preceding and following words can't overlap. --EncycloPetey 06:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, fixed. Nadando 06:11, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, no. The interposing word now has a "g" that isn't in the preceding or following word. Think of it this way: When the preceding and following words are written next to each other without a gap, it should be possible to "see" any interposing words from that combination, without adding or removing letters. --EncycloPetey 06:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok ok, I think I'll get some sleep before retrying this. Nadando 06:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

{{new es plural noun}}[edit]

Do you or anyone else use this template? I imagine not since there are no references to {{es-noun-pl}}, which it uses. Now that {{es-noun-m}} and {{es-noun-f}} are accelerated I think that should be the preferred method for creating new noun entries. Is there are reason to still keep {{new es plural noun}} around? --Bequw¢τ 05:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

No- no reason to keep it at all. Nadando 17:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


Here and elsewhere—note that Yurok is yur, and that Chamicuro is ccc. --Ivan Štambuk 02:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


Tahnk you so much for taking care of the end of December for me. As you noticed, I had recorded the audio files in advance, but hadn't set up the final 6 words in the WOTD templates. I tried to finish this on the 24th, but we had multiple power outages that day, with some outages lasting more than three hours. If that weren't bad enough, for the past few days I have been very ill and have been doing very little besides taking fluids and drifting in and out of sleep. I am therefore very happy that someone stepped in and took up the slack (even if that's a mixed metaphor) to keep WOTD running smoothly. Thanks. --EncycloPetey 19:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem :) Nadando 19:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


I've created this - at the moment there are still a fair number of "form-of" entries on the index, but these should go away when user:McBot's changes get themselves into the XML dumps - see WT:GP for Ullmann's explanation. If you notice other problems or want it done slightly differently, just let me know. (See User talk:Panda10 for how the asterisks are found.) Conrad.Irwin 02:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Spanish newspaper[edit]

Just so you know, I'd like to do this, very interesting; I am sorting lots of details with the Italian, and will get there. (Lots of matches this weekend, not so much time ;-) Robert Ullmann 22:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Turns out to be quite useful for me; I've "refactored" the code so the common code is in one module/class, and each language has its own one page routine to call the various steps. Works nicely, and I can add others now. Robert Ullmann 12:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


If you edit sections while I'm in the middle of deleting sections, and you don't stay above me (i.e. you edit sections below the ones I'm deleting), we'll have edit conflicts (as we just did).—msh210 22:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


There is no decenus in Classical Latin, where the word is decimus (tenth). The word decēnus is a word in Later Latin that means "ten each", not "tenth". Either the RAE is mistaken, or something weird happened (etymologically) in the Middle Ages. --EncycloPetey 03:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. If you think it's misleading, remove the etymology. Also, I'm not sure if there's a distinction between décimo and deceno or what it might be. Nadando 03:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm... It may be that the word originally meant "ten each", but lost its separate meaning over the centuries, until it became a synonym of décimo. Unfortunately, the RAE doesn't seem to provide that level of detail. --EncycloPetey 03:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcoming. I don't understand why you say that i was editing anonymously, when a i have an account and i'm signed in right now and was signed in when editing...--Hetus 17:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that- I used {{welcomeip}} instead of {{welcome}}. Nadando 18:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


Did you mean to remove the references from this page? If so, why? —RuakhTALK 03:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry- I misunderstood what it was I was removing. Nadando 04:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi[edit]

  • Thanks for your message. I did not mean to submit article, what I want is to add the name of "Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi" as a noun, who is an Internationally Renowned Spiritualist. Could you kindly help me out?--Asikhi 08:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


[5] claims "[h]andwells are those circular metal ground plates that cover underground wires", fwiw.—msh210 22:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

And here's that other link.msh210 22:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


I noticed that you also create Spanish plurals, so I was wondering if you could tell me how to make them Accelerated. I can't figure out if there's a template or something, and the talk page didn't help me at all. Also, I was wondering if they automatically create links to the same page in other languages of Wiktionary. Ultimateria 23:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


noinclude DOES NOT WORK in preload templates. Please undo every since change to "new ..." templates you have made! Robert Ullmann 06:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)



Removing a rfv rfc tag from obnosis was done by you why?

The required request pages have been noted? Please use the discussion page before wide sweeping edits and especially because this page is under edit war flags. Also, you restored lisakachold's comments, not another user's comments to the discussion page:

A user lisakachold can edit their own comments on the discussion page.

(cur) (prev) 03:50, 2 March 2009 Visviva (Talk | contribs) (13,243 bytes) (→Who can claim ownership for a word? rfv sense: not durably archived.) (undo)

THERE WAS A rfv sense on the request for verification page - check it.

Really these are basic respectful use best practices. Removing of rfv sense and rfc tags that have not been resolved by an editor or administrator and repeatedly reverting past edits that were originally authorized back in october for rfv in attempts to move the word obnosis to a scientology only definition while whittling away media, web site and common use references (that do meet WT:CFI ) is censorship not editing and certainly not acceptable use under wiktionary.

Flagged the following users pages with notification their editing actions are outside of acceptable actions without discussion of each item on the talk page, where the source could be repaired. The agenda is obviously not coordinated for anything but a scientology only use of the word.

Atelaes (Talk | contribs) Kayak Runner (Talk)) Visviva (Talk | contribs) Ruakh (Talk | contribs) Carolina wren (Talk | contribs)

Page has been regularly edited to remove all but scientology sources and definitions however durable and WT:CFI sources exist.

SUGGEST DELETION if this does not cease. Lisakachold 10:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


Shouldn't that be atenerse? --EncycloPetey 05:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

There is one transitive sense given in the RAE (although archaic). The source I found it in was reflexive though: 'No se prevé que vaya a haber problemas con los partidos de Liga que se juegan hoy si nos atenemos a los terrenos de juego, pero sí en cuanto a los desplazamientos en avión' Nadando 05:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


I assumed the word had come from some European language, most likely Yiddish, but that was a guess. Still, Hebrew seems unlikely to me; on the other hand, if you know it's right, or have it on good authority, then so be it. Oh, also, you say it's uncountable; I know I've heard it used as plural ("I had two rugelach", but never uncountably as "rugelach is good"), though I have no idea what the singular might be, if any.—msh210 19:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I got the etymology from the {unreferenced) wikipedia article, which does say that it came through Yiddish. If you can find something that says differently obviously you would be far more qualified than me to add to the etymology. Nadando 00:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

spanish templates[edit]

Thanks for making the stab at adding the reflexive forms. For the conjugation templates that can figure out the accented stem on their own, we've been just having the user pass in a ref_obj=y parameter (keeps down on errors). Check out the changes I made to {{es-conj-er (poner)}} and {{es-conj-cer (o-ue)}}. Cheers. --Bequw¢τ 08:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Excuse me, I was thinking about "child" words, I mean, oppososite to "etymologies", may I wrote "descendant words"?, or how? Renebeto.


I can never forgive you. Except maybe in five minutes. Equinox 04:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Fancy using my big word tetranortriterpenoid before I got the chance! Equinox 21:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

RE: Its/ It's[edit]

Thank you for the correction. Pronouns have never been one of my strong points- User:125t


Hello, Nadando. Here you claimed the Old Norse origin of glee (from glý), but today one anon changed from to akin to and I was just on the point of reverting, when I sought for some sources if my revert was to be quæstioned, but I could not find any. Could you state your source and if possibly, restore the veritable Old Norse origin, as you added it, because I always get irritated when the Old Norse origin is being controverted. Regards. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 18:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't remember where I found that. The sources I am looking at now all say Middle English > Old English > Germanic, with Old Norse just listed as a cognate. Nadando 20:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
This is truly disappointing. I looked it up in MW 1913, in MW online, in Online Et. Dict., in Vigfússon (who only lists the English entry in brackets) and was curious about your source... There is no German or Danish æquivalent, this word is found only in English and Old Norse, no other single Germanic language, so the assumption that the English word is derived from ON is straightforward and plausible, but it really needs a source to corroborate it. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 20:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


Category redirects do not work. Look at the result in Category:Ajië language‎. --EncycloPetey 03:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

That was my mistake- they need a : in front to avoid that problem. Nadando 03:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
But unless something has been fixed in the past year, entries placed in the redirect category will still not appear in the redirected category. --EncycloPetey 03:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Why would any entries be in the redirect category? The purpose of the redirects is to have a standard category to avoid duplication. Nadando 04:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Because people often add the wrong category to entries. --EncycloPetey 04:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Instead of redirects, what I prefer to do in this situation is block creation of the incorrect category, leaving a note in the reason for protection that points to the correct category name. --EncycloPetey 04:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Appendix:Ukrainian transliteration[edit]

Hi. Why did you move this out of the Appendix space? This contains real-world transliteration information, not some “wiki-scheme”. Michael Z. 2009-05-01 13:34 z

I moved it because I was standardizing all of the transliteration pages- you should ask Opiaterein about it. Nadando 23:34, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
The purpose of these appendices is to show how we transliterate each given script on Wiktionary. I remember somewhere EncycloPetey pointing out that some of the appendices would describe more than one system of transliteration, but as a guide to Wiktionary's standards for each language or script, so we don't have people running around trying to figure out wtf we mean, it's best to put what we use in the Wiktionary: namespace. Wiktionary:Ukrainian transliteration should describe how we do it, while Appendix:Ukrainian transliteration can talk about other systems, if you want to do that. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 00:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense. I have redirected the latter to Appendix:Ukrainian alphabet. This may be a good model, since transliteration schemes are all intimately tied to alphabets. In this page and Appendix:Russian alphabet I have included the schemes which may be of practical use in gathering information for the dictionary, while more comprehensive treatments can be found in the respective Wikipedia articles.
We should describe this more explicitly in WT:TRANSLIT, to forestall arguments about the fundamentals, like the recent one at Wiktionary talk:Russian transliteration#Alternatives about what constitutes a transliteration scheme for wiktionary and how it is to be used. Michael Z. 2009-05-02 16:05 z


I'm rather baffled by the change of "Related terms" to "See also". We try to avoid using "See also", and prefer more precise semantic relation header names wherever we can. All of the listed words share an origin in ión, which makes them etymologically related. --EncycloPetey 22:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

It's about as far as I would go in claiming relatedness. There are other "ión"-formed words I chose not to include because they're rather distant. The terms I did include have the etymological connetion as well as a relevance to the term zwitterión. --EncycloPetey 22:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi there. I have only tourist Spanish - but this doesn't seem right to me. In English and Italian tetraethyl and tetraetile are nouns. The adjective form in Italian is tetraetilico and might well be the same in Spanish. SemperBlotto 19:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, yes you are right, the adjective form would be tetraetílico. Nadando 19:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


Ah, yes. I was wondering how to do that. Now it's clear. Thanks a lot. --B. Jankuloski 22:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)