Category talk:Caucasian languages

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Category:Caucasian languages[edit]

This is not a linguistic category, it is geographical. The families mentioned are not related at all, and should either be moved to 'Languages of the Caucasus' or split by language family. Nadando 22:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

They can't be split by language family. One of the reasons this category exists is that relationships among the various languages are very much up in the air, although there is a "feeling" among many experts that many of the languages are related...somehow. Note that there is a geographical category Category:Languages of the Caucasus, but its contents are different, because there are many other languages spoken in that region which are not part of the "Caucasian" assemblage of languages. --EncycloPetey 18:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
One of the reasons this category exists is that relationships among the various languages are very much up in the air - what? there's a very clear consensus that there are three Caucasian language families - that is Northwest, Northeast and South Caucasian. -- Prince Kassad 18:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
So, you mean that each of those three groups sprang into existence from non-language independently? The relationships between those groups and other language families is unclear. --EncycloPetey 22:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
All categories moved, striking. Nadando 20:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


RFDO discussion: August 2014–August 2016[edit]

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Also included: the family code "cau" and all the categories that use it. This survived deletion back in 2009, but, even after reading through the discussion archived at Category talk:Caucasian languages, I'm not sure why.

This is strictly a geographical grouping: although many linguists have an unprovable hunch that the w:Northeast Caucasian languages and the w:Northwest Caucasian languages may be related, there's been very little support for linking them to the w:Kartvelian languages. Indeed, even among those proposing that the w:North Caucasian languages are related to everything from Basque to Sino-Tibetan to the Na-Dene languages of North America, and those who say the Kartvelian languages are related to Indo-European, Afro-Asiatic Dravidian, and many others, linking North Caucasian and South Caucasian/Kartvelian is rarely even considered. If there were such a family, it would probably be named the w:Ibero-Caucasian languages.

This category is mostly a holding category for the three families mentioned, but, judging from the derivational categories, there are a dozen entries that refer to the Caucasian languages as a group in their etymologies, of which seven are Old Armenian. Perhaps we can get an idea from Vahagn Petrosyan (talkcontribs) about whether this is a serious obstacle. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:31, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Scholarly sources, modern or dated, dealing with Armenian linguistics often refer to "Caucasian languages", when they cannot distinguish between Kartvelian/East Caucasian/West Caucasian. The code cau is very convenient for such cases. However, I understand that our etymological categories are based on genetic relationship and that the laziness of sources does not justify having this category. I will go through the Old Armenian entries and try to assign them to different branches. So, delete. PS By the way, your ping did not work. --Vahag (talk) 15:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep. There is no reason that we cannot have a category for languages that are often referred to as "Caucasian languages" outside of our etymological tree. --WikiTiki89 14:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Deleted based on the consensus of our linguistically-trained and Caucasian-language editors, pace the two keep voters, who'll have to content themselves with the longstanding category for the geographic grouping, Category:Languages of the Caucasus, that doesn't imply genetic relationship like this category inappropriately did. - -sche (discuss) 08:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)