Talk:foreign

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welsch[edit]

Somebody tagged this as "to be checked". I've never heard anybody use that word, especially not in that meaning. I consider it to be a clearly outdated term meaning "Italian or French", analogue to windisch, wendisch "West Slavic (or simply anything from or in the East)" and teutsch "German".

I'm a native speaker (northern standard) – does that mean I could have simply deleted it without first discussing it here? Dustsucker 14:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but preferably with the correct word substituted. —Stephen 14:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

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I understand that there is a word in spanish very similar "foreino" which is used to refer to buses going outside of city limits. As to the source of the word, I believe it comes from latin foreign - for meaning outside of - reign meaning kingdom Dwarf Kirlston 06:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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foreign[edit]

As noun, "foreigner". The (non-durably archived) citation shows the kind of "fused-head" construction that is possible in principle for every sense of every English adjective. To keep such things would mean adding a noun sense for every sense of every adjective not derived from a noun. DCDuring TALK 22:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Move to rfv, if it exists, keep it. Otherwise, don't. --Mglovesfun (talk) 08:43, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
And yet we have a noun sense at poor. (Isn't foreign as a noun often a deliberately facetious parody of ignorance? "I 'ate them foreigns.") Equinox 20:39, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I would RFV except I can already see that Google Books shows the noun in genuine use. DAVilla 06:31, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Kept as no consensus. — Ungoliant (Falai) 19:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


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foreign[edit]

Sense: "Belonging to a different culture."

Eating with chopsticks was a foreign concept to him.

The usex shows a use that I would gloss as "alien, strange". And not everything "belonging to a different culture" is foreign. For example, the various Native American cultures are not called "foreign" by more recent arrivals, except sometimes in the sense of "alien, strange", nor is the culture of the American pilgrims, or of Mormons, etc. This just seems like a sloppy definition to me. DCDuring TALK 07:24, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

I would say someone was trying to express a "pertaining to an outside country" sense, but then I noticed we already have it as sense 2. Maybe this should be considered an RFV issue. Either way delete unless someone shows citations which cannot be subsumed under other senses. As for the usage example, I would say it just means "unfamiliar, unknown" here, which may or may not be conflated with "alien, strange". Keφr 09:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
A few citations for languages described as foreign in their own lands:
Also some useful hits at google books:"foreign in its own country", google books:"foreign in their own country", google books:"foreign in their own land" etc. I suppose you could argue that the Welsh, Maori and Navajo are nations, even if they're not states - perhaps merge this into the "relating to a different nation" sense. Smurrayinchester (talk) 09:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
To me at least some of that kind of use seems to be playing on the two senses of foreign, but I am open to citations, rewording, etc. And we have foreign language as an entry, not that the single definition there is adequate as currently worded. It should be made to earn its keep by freeing us of the need to specifically cover the cases above. (If not, we should delete it.) DCDuring TALK 04:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I think it's redundant. Renard Migrant (talk) 20:03, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Yep, it seems redundant with sense #6: "alien, strange". --Hekaheka (talk) 07:03, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Sense deleted; translations put below {{ttbc-top}}; foonyms moved to other senses. Keφr 22:48, 3 December 2014 (UTC)