Talk:gay pride

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RFC discussion: April 2013–June 2014[edit]

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The second definition relies on a previous mention of parades which (mention) doesn't exist; the first definition is more of a non-gloss definition of the slogan "gay pride!" than of the noun "gay pride". The whole thing might be SOP. - -sche (discuss) 08:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's SoP if that helps. Just poorly defined. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:06, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, gay pride is not just "solidarity" among gay people, as in wretchedness or oppression; it is a positive thing (pride, being pleased with what they are). Equinox ◑ 15:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Using an -ing-form ("expressing") to define a term headed by a noun describing a state or condition seems amateurish.
Here's the 21st Century Lexicon's def (Dictionary.com): "a sense of dignity and satisfaction involved in the public admission of one's homosexuality"
Here's Cambridge: "the idea that gay people should not keep the fact of their sexuality secret and that they should be proud of it instead, or the social and political movement that is based on this idea"
The underlining of head of definiens is mine.
Those are the only dictionary definitions that I could find at OneLook apart from Urban dictionary and ours. DCDuring TALK 19:03, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
By total coincidence, a few minutes after reading this I read an article online via facebook: Lesbian asylum seekers asked: Have you read Oscar Wilde? Do you use sex toys? Where do you go clubbing?. It contains citations for pride or in this case Pride as a public event celebrating LGBT. I live in a big city in the UK and we have an annual Leeds Pride in the summer. Yes it is a separate issue because I'm talking about pride not gay pride. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Cleaned up. - -sche (discuss) 20:01, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]


RFD discussion: February–July 2018[edit]

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This seems SOP — if not to any sense of pride we have so far, then to one we should add, because you can have this kind of pride in a large number of attributes (possibly theoretically unlimited, only pragmatically limited by attestability?); there's "gay pride", "black pride", "straight pride", "white pride", "Irish pride", "trans pride", "pagan pride", etc. - -sche (discuss) 06:01, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The way it is currently defined it seems SoP, but I'm wondering whether it has some idiomatic sense, such as "a movement seeking equal rights and recognition for LGBTs". Perhaps we should find some quotations illustrating how the term is used? — SGconlaw (talk) 07:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You may be right, but is that different from "trans pride", "black pride" and arguably "pagan pride"? It still seems like the set of terms which use the same sense of "pride" as "gay pride" includes many entries, possibly enough to justify just having a sense at pride, I don't know. "White pride" is possibly also a little different from other "prides", in that it often (usually?) denotes/connotes white power/racism (leading to sayings like "good night white pride"), which might be idiomatic, I'm on the fence. - -sche (discuss) 17:29, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Should we have entries for pride parade, pride march, pride event? --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 13:17, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We do have an entry for Pride as a specifically-LGBT pride event. Lowercase pride is attestable as an alt form of that, and could be made a subsense of whatever general sense covers these terms. Then the combination of the general sense of "pride" and such an LGBT-specific sense would probably cover most of those, covering general "pride parades" (including ones that happen to be for specific things), LGBT-specific parades that are just called "pride parades", and use with other designators, like "Arab pride parade". (I wouldn't mind redirecting them to the relevant [super-]sense of pride, though.) - -sche (discuss) 17:29, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain. You can definitely have X pride for anything, but this seems to have been one of the earlier ones, or the first one: if we start with web site, and in 50 years there's only site, should we delete web site? Equinox ◑ 06:24, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • A long time ago, but wasn't it Gay Pride (along with Lesbian Strength, and ...) which predated Pride (in the 80s in London at least)? Did the names become genericised along the way, like hoover, or did the gay et al "trade marks" grow out of pre-existing generic phrases? If the latter, that particular meaning may have become non-SoP. --Enginear 23:55, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Gay pride isn't just pride in being gay, but rather it's in opposition to attempts to marginalize gays. It's not just "I'm proud of being gay", but rather "I'm not ashamed of being gay and will march in the streets to show people that I exist and won't live in fear". I know a majority of Wiktionary contributors are straight white christian males, but at least try to do a little research or learn a little history? 69.112.147.119 06:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ironic that you make a prejudiced stereotype of the editors! But I guess you're young. Anyway, any group can do a "pride" march so this just suggests we need a sense at "pride" meaning "not just ashamed, but actively protesting/marching" which will then cover any kind of pride, whether white, black, gay, straight, trans or cis. Equinox ◑ 06:33, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If kept, the definition probably needs expansion. - -sche (discuss) 16:25, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus to delete (even discounting the IP !vote). The content of the definition may need to be revisited. bd2412 T 02:48, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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