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storm out

I made this one earlier thinking it was used as a phrasal verb, but looking over its uses more, I think I was wrong, I might be the only person who uses it as a phrasal verb. storm can be a normal verb, and you can storm in or storm away or storm wherever you like. WurdSnatcher (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

"Storm in" and "storm out" seem idiomatic, although I'm not sure any of the others are regularly used; if they are, I think it's derivative of these. I don't think that it's sum-of-parts, because someone can't just "storm", and someone who hasn't encountered the phrase before might be confused by the meaning. P Aculeius (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Possibly you can't "storm" without a preposition (can't you, though?), but you can storm with all kinds of prepositions ("stormed through the classroom", "stormed into the meeting", etc.); I think it might be more sensible to note this at "storm" than to include every actual combination. Equinox ◑ 19:00, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Here are some uses without a preposition, though I think it's a different sense of storm. (Certainly storming a castle is a different sense.) You can use it with adverbs too, like storm back. What tests are there to decide whether an intransitive verb is a phrasal verb? The usual test of seeing whether a pronoun direct object can come before the adverb doesn't apply. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I suspect that storming in this sense is influenced by the same kind of storming that one does with castles, but I don't have anything substantive to point to for that. All of the senses are related, though, so I'm not sure it could be demonstrated one way or the other. P Aculeius (talk) 01:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

put is worth comparing, BTW. You can't just "put" something, but you can put it on, in, into, through, beside, etc... Equinox ◑ 20:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Equinox makes a good point. I wasn't thinking of "into" or "through". There may be others, and I'm sure lots of prepositions could be used as nonces. We probably don't need half a dozen different entries for this sense, and since they'd all begin with "storm" it wouldn't be hard to find simply by listing under that word. I think I'm convinced. P Aculeius (talk) 01:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

MW 1913 had the following for two of its definitions of intransitive storm:

for "To rage; to be in a violent passion; to fume."

The master storms, the lady scolds. Swift.

for "To blow with violence; also, to rain, hail, snow, or the like, usually in a violent manner, or with high wind; -- used impersonally"

It storms.

It would be a bit tedious to find current citations for prepositionless storm. DCDuring TALK 02:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Unnecessary to do so, IMO. I'm perfectly satisfied with Swift and Merriam-Webster, if the sense isn't clearly obscure. But I'm not convinced that it's quite the same sense as "storming in" or other prepositional forms, which carry the specific implication of movement more than rage. Perhaps that's the key; in order to express motion, it has to have a preposition. P Aculeius (talk) 05:36, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Swift's usage is a different sense. To storm into/out/off etc. mean to "rush in anger" not "to rage" - in Swift's sense, the master is verbalizing, in the other sense, it can be done in silence (though can be accompanied with vebalising), and I don't think it exists without a preposition, at least to my knowledge.--Sonofcawdrey (talk) 08:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

keep - with sense "to rush or stride in anger", but add context "followed by preposition" (because you cannot simply storm).--Sonofcawdrey (talk) 16:25, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

• I hate to say this (as it's WurdSnatcher), but storm off could be considered a synonym. Donnanz (talk) 20:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
  • I would have nominated that at the same time if I'd seen it, but it doesn't seem likely that this decision will go through (which I'm fine with, obv., I vacillated on whether this was a good one or not, but if it is then storm off is too IMHO). WurdSnatcher (talk) 01:25, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
• Keep. Shoof (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Kept. bd2412 T 16:02, 16 December 2015 (UTC)