Talk:tidely
Etymology, but of what?[edit]
The following etymology was in the entry, but it does not seem to be the etymology of any of the senses listed:
- From Middle English tidely, tydely, tidliche, from Old English tīdlīċe (“for a time; temporarily; conveniently; seasonably; in time; early; soon; quickly”), equivalent to tide + -ly. Cognate with Saterland Frisian tiedelk, Dutch tijdelijk, German Low German tiedelk, German zeitlich, Danish tidlig, Icelandic tíðlegur.
- -sche (discuss) 02:24, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- It seems the original word from Old and Middle English absorbed the confused senses of other words, keeping the spelling but itself losing its original sense(s). I think that the etymology would still apply, even though those senses no longer remain Leasnam (talk) 03:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, you're right. I saw the "tidilly" sense wasn't from that etymology, and thought the "tidally" sense was just tide + -ly as a rare error for tidally — I had a brain fart and didn't notice that tide + -ly isn't incompatible with derivation from a word pertaining to "time". - -sche (discuss) 03:51, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
- It seems the original word from Old and Middle English absorbed the confused senses of other words, keeping the spelling but itself losing its original sense(s). I think that the etymology would still apply, even though those senses no longer remain Leasnam (talk) 03:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Sense 1 was given as "seasonably; opportunely; suitably; fitly" but this makes no sense with the given citation (about the location of an oasis). I thought it might be a misspelling of "tidally" but that also might not make sense geographically. Anyone? Equinox ◑ 08:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- The only sense in the OED (at each tide) is marked obsolete, and the only cite is from 1482. I have a vague inkle (less than an inkling) that it might be used by some as a synonym for timely, but Google Books shows no support for this, having only the obsolete sense and scannos (mainly for tidily). I also thought the deleted cite was a scanno for tidally -- I wish we could ask Stefan Siebert what he meant -- perhaps seasonally rather than "seasonably"? Sense 1 could be combined with sense 2, and all senses could be marked as rare. Dbfirs 09:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- We can: s.siebert
uni-bonn.de. Keep in mind he's not a native English speaker. Having read the whole sentence in context, I'm thinking he meant "tightly" (German doesn't contrast /d/ and /t/ at the ends of syllables, and German speakers have difficulty distinguishing them in English). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- IFYPFY.—msh210℠ (talk) 16:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- Well, the sense I took from Century. Seems that is better suited as Middle English (or as a by-form of English tidily, which appears to have some support). I placed the cite there as a "best fit" (?), but apparently not Leasnam (talk) 15:16, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- I have found a modern use in the sense of "fitly", from which perhaps we get "tightly" (I find a lot of uses in Books with this sense, even from native speakers)
- 1792, James A.M. WALCOT, The History of the Indian convert:
- [...] so I went to work, prepared splints, rollers, and a plaister made of some linament and whites of eggs, and, by the assistance of the men, reduced it to its form, and, put on my bandage, etc. pretty tidely ... Leasnam (talk) 15:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- We can: s.siebert
- Here is another that is ambiguous: 1861, William B. Turnbull, Calendar of State Papers...: Has received the Council's letter as to the promised aid; fears this may be his last letter, as the enemy will stop his passage, but will do what he can tidely to signify their state. (tidely = "timely"?...)Leasnam (talk) 15:46, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- I have made it a misspelling. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:55, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- RFV-failed. (Semper replaced it with "misspelling of tidally", but that is redundant to another sense in the entry — the one that is currently numbered sense 2 — and doesn't follow from the citation given, so I have deleted it.) - -sche (discuss) 03:59, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
This entry is still pretty problematic. For one thing it seems that "cleverly; smartly; bravely; quickly; speedily; soon" is three separate things (clever, rapid, and soon). Equinox ◑ 02:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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RFV-sense: alternatively form of "tidily". Are there more citations of this? And is it an intentional alternative spelling, or an error? The presence of both "tidely" (meaning "tidily") and "tidily" in a work, or the presence of other misspellings, would help answer the second question. - -sche (discuss) 03:55, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
- RFV failed. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 13:11, 12 August 2016 (UTC)