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Hello Dine2016 --

Minor point, but when manually entering romaji for Japanese terms, please make sure you're using the correct spelling. By way of example, 文法 is spelled in romaji as bunpō, not bunhō.

Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:57, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@Eirikr: sorry, I misremembered it. By the way, is it 日本語教育文法 or 日本語教育のための文法? And do the four forms 辞書形・~た・~ない・~なかった have names in 学校文法? --Dine2016 (talk) 02:58, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Sorry, didn't see the ping...
It's 日本語教育文法. See, for instance, the 日本語教育文法 subsection of the 日本語教育 article on the JA WP. More commonly, it's just w:ja:学校文法, and sometimes you might also see 国文法 (koku bunpō, literally national grammar).
 This section on 活用形 lays out the six names used in Japanese school grammar:
  • 未然形 (mizenkei, irrealis or incomplete form, mostly used with ない, まぜん, etc. to form the negative)
  • 連用形 (ren'yōkei, continuative or stem form, the stem used in the basic dictionary and -masu forms; also used adverbially and when forming compound verbs)
  • 終止形 (shūshikei, terminal form, used to end a sentence)
  • 連体形 (rentaikei, attributive form, used to modify a noun)
  • 仮定形 (kateikei, hypothetical form, mostly used with ば to form hypotheticals and conditionals)
  • 命令形 (meireikei, imperative form, used in abrupt commands)
Note that the 終止形 (shūshikei) and the 連体形 (rentaikei) have become the same thing in modern Japanese. Note too that the 未然形 (mizenkei) and the 仮定形 (kateikei) are the same thing for some verbs, such as 付ける (tsukeru, to stick one thing onto another): consider the identical stem 付け (tsuke) in the negative conjugation 付けない (tsukenai, to not stick something onto something else) and the hypothetical conjugation 付けば (tsukeba, if one were to stick something onto something else).
These all describe the form of the verb stem, however. From my own learning (not via the Japanese educational system, but with years spent living in Japan), 辞書形 (jishokei, dictionary or plain form) is the only name I've ever heard for this form. ~た I've only heard as 過去形 (kakokei, past tense), ~ない as 否定形 (hiteikei, negative form), and ~なかった as either 否定過去形 (hitei no kakokei, past tense of the negative) or 過去否定形 (hitei no kakokei, negative of the past tense).
Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 16:57, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eirikr: Thank you. I borrowed a grammar book from the public library in the hope of revamping Appendix:Japanese verbs with it, but my lack of ability to write in English was a hindrance. --Dine2016 (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


Hi Dine2016. It seems you forgot to create the entry 案內狀. Could you please create it when you get a chance? Thanks. Wyang (talk) 03:43, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Wyang: sorry, I probably intended to create the Hanja term for 안내장. Not sure if 案內狀 exists in any Chinese language. --Dine2016 (talk) 08:06, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks! Wyang (talk) 08:09, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

{{Han ref}}[edit]

This data comes from here, BTW. Also, it might be easier to copy from the Thai Wiktionary, which already has pages for all(?) CJK characters and uses the same template :p —suzukaze (tc) 03:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@suzukaze-c: Thanks for the information. Would be great if a bot could fill the red links in the radical index, though. BTW, Unihan's coverage of dictionary indices is sometimes incomplete -- such as for 康熙字典·補遺 and rare kanjis in 大漢和辞典, which I add the page numbers when convenient. --Dine2016 (talk) 15:19, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
@suzukaze-c Do you have any idea where the IDSs from the Thai Wiktionary come from? Their IDSs are sometimes different from the CHISE project ones, for example 𠂹 (Thai Wikt: ⿱丿⿲仌丨仌,⿻亻𠈌; CHISE: ⿸⿹亻仌仌) --Dine2016 (talk) 15:49, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I thought they were from CHISE too. @Octahedron80? —suzukaze (tc) 19:29, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
[1] from Andrew West who does also add many Han characters to Unicode. And I put them with my bot once long ago. (I should run another round to update.)--Octahedron80 (talk) 04:04, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Ah, I had forgotten about his IDS file. I wonder how big the differences are between the CHISE and BabelStone files. —suzukaze (tc) 04:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c If you are interested, I also have this: [2] They already filed my idea. --Octahedron80 (talk) 04:29, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Nice. 👍 —suzukaze (tc) 04:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Dai Kanwa number[edit]

I'm not too sure about the numbers you put in for Dai Kanwa. Are you sure that you are using the same edition as the Unihan database (Tokyo: Taishuukan Shoten, 1986)? — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 19:41, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Yeah, I'm using the 修訂版 published in 1984–1986 (and I didn't refer to the Kanji Database Project). --Dine2016 (talk) 01:48, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Alright, thanks! Keep up the work! — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 01:54, 29 October 2017 (UTC)