Talk:He Who Shall Not Be Named

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SOP: He+Who+Shall+Not+Be+Named --Daniel 10:26, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that it is SOP, there is a "why" component which is not explicit. I do think we should delete though, as this is one of many constructions with the same meaning ("who will remain nameless", "whose name we will not mention", "who we will not name"). - TheDaveRoss 12:42, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is WT:FICTION → Appendix:Harry Potter/Characters but maybe also is Category:English terms derived from Harry Potter. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 12:57, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose this was especially popularised by HP, but at the end of the day it is just one of many similar SOP phrases that can be constructed using the normal rules of the English language (don't really understand the point about the "why" component), and therefore it does not merit inclusion, in my opinion. 109.152.148.40 14:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if there is a difference in phrasing between the British and American editions, but I think the Harry Potter title is "He Who Must Not Be Named". - TheDaveRoss 14:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that I have a consistent pattern of creating RFD fodder. To be honest, I’m almost tempted to cease making locutional entries (like this one) altogether. --Romanophile (talk) 15:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Erf, I would delete but RFV seems a decent idea too. Per Purplebackpack89, the definition is 'he' not Lord Voldemort. Renard Migrant (talk) 20:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Pre-dates Voldemort and Harry Potter. Is a case of paraleipsis... or something like it? Feels a bit like a set phrase I suppose. Equinox ◑ 21:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, there are tons of variations and they are not idiomatic by any means. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:12, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, if it not Harry Potter related. I agree with all of you and especially about paraleipsis. I think many writers used variations of similar terms. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 23:54, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's paraleipsis, since it originates in an actual strategy to avoid naming someone directly- making it a form of euphemism. The phrase "speak of the devil" goes back to a similar taboo. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, delete, but I was wondering about the original, which I suppose was "She-who-must-be-obeyed" in the novel She: A History of Adventure. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:32, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Unlike he, it is used in accusative as well as nominate case. For example, a Google Books search "to he who shall not be named" gets a number of hits and "him who shall not be named" is relatively uncommon. —Internoob 01:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't the same be said of any similar title-like "He who ..." phrase that anyone might care to make up? 109.151.63.170 01:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was just thinking the same thing. Look at e.g. google books:"to he who waits". - -sche (discuss) 02:09, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. bd2412 T 03:33, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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