Talk:book launch
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Metaknowledge in topic RFD discussion: February–March 2019
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SOP. Per utramque cavernam 07:26, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. As the creator I put some thought into this before entering it. There are various types of product launches, but this has never been defined, and this is perhaps the most common type. Besides that, it is not particularly obvious from the sum of its parts. I could walk down to the riverside in Twickenham and see a launch moored there, which may have a book in it, but that doesn't make it a book launch. DonnanZ (talk) 09:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - there are non-trivial numbers of usage examples for many types of product launch (n-grams has the generic form product launch as much more common than book launch). The fact that there are multiple definitions of launch and book is not sufficient reason for inclusion. We have the sense of book and launch covered well, and this is not a unique formulation. - TheDaveRoss 13:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- No, you're wrong there, sense 1 of launch (noun, Etymology 1) is very vague. DonnanZ (talk) 14:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- I am looking at sense 6 of the verb, my read of book launch is that launch is a deverbal noun. Perhaps it needs its own noun sense, but I could go either way on that one. (edit you are right that the noun sense is way too vague, so much so that sense two is just an instance.) - TheDaveRoss 14:21, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- As an aside, it took less than 24 hours to generate a reference for boklansering in NAOB. and they don't adopt all of my suggestions. DonnanZ (talk) 15:03, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- I am looking at sense 6 of the verb, my read of book launch is that launch is a deverbal noun. Perhaps it needs its own noun sense, but I could go either way on that one. (edit you are right that the noun sense is way too vague, so much so that sense two is just an instance.) - TheDaveRoss 14:21, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- No, you're wrong there, sense 1 of launch (noun, Etymology 1) is very vague. DonnanZ (talk) 14:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I don’t see how this is different from app launch, beer launch, smartphone launch and a zillion other product launches. One can also say “the book’s official launch” or “the launch of the book”, underscoring that the term is not idiomatic. --Lambiam 21:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- "Book launch" is more of a set phrase than those. DonnanZ (talk) 13:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- I'd delete: the "launch" part is no different from a "game launch" (video games) or a film/movie, etc. etc... Maybe we need to improve launch, though. Equinox ◑ 23:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- I'm afraid you're all slaves of the SoP policy, which stinks to high heaven. I have taken the precaution of making an entry elsewhere, so their gain could be Wiktionary's loss. Under these circumstances I can't be loyal all of the time. DonnanZ (talk) 01:39, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- Slaves we may be, but of course the line has to be drawn somewhere. Some of us have drawn it a little bit more to the exclusionist end, others to the inclusionist end, but everyone has a line. My guess is that you would opt not to have first book launch, or if you would include that perhaps not my first book launch, or if you would keep that, my first book launch in which I self-published... All of these are describing very specific concepts, but at some point you have to let the rules of grammar take over and require users to take care of construction on their own. I put book launch in that category, but I don't think you are wrong to see it in the other. - TheDaveRoss 13:40, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- I am sorry to hear I am a slave of a stinking policy :( have you thought about forking the project or Equinox ◑ 14:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- No offence intended to yourself. Wiktionary has imposed itself, perhaps with good intent, with a pernicious policy which I have never liked, which is overzealously applied by some users, particularly the nominator; they should recognise that themselves. I do voluntarily limit myself by the way, but in this case I thought that it is a useful entry. It can be difficult when working from foreign languages, deciding how to treat a foreign word on the English side which doesn't fit in with an "approved" English term, and I often don't bother trying. The "other place" I referred to doesn't have that problem, but it doesn't have detailed entries for each word as happens here, just translations (with disambiguation where necessary). DonnanZ (talk) 16:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- As a user of various dictionaries, SOP entries are annoying because I ask myself "why is this a 'thing'?" and it turns out not to be one. That wouldn't be a problem if they were marked as such. I'm curious what this 'other place' is Vices Theme (talk) 16:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- It is Det Norske Akademis ordbok, an online Norwegian Bokmål dictionary that is a joint venture of the Norwegian Academy and the Norwegian dictionary publisher Kunnskapsforlaget. In Norwegian the situation is different, because (unlike book launch) boklansering is one word, which makes it acceptable for inclusion according to our current criteria. --Lambiam 21:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- No, I meant another place in a different country. DonnanZ (talk) 22:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- It is Det Norske Akademis ordbok, an online Norwegian Bokmål dictionary that is a joint venture of the Norwegian Academy and the Norwegian dictionary publisher Kunnskapsforlaget. In Norwegian the situation is different, because (unlike book launch) boklansering is one word, which makes it acceptable for inclusion according to our current criteria. --Lambiam 21:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- As a user of various dictionaries, SOP entries are annoying because I ask myself "why is this a 'thing'?" and it turns out not to be one. That wouldn't be a problem if they were marked as such. I'm curious what this 'other place' is Vices Theme (talk) 16:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- No offence intended to yourself. Wiktionary has imposed itself, perhaps with good intent, with a pernicious policy which I have never liked, which is overzealously applied by some users, particularly the nominator; they should recognise that themselves. I do voluntarily limit myself by the way, but in this case I thought that it is a useful entry. It can be difficult when working from foreign languages, deciding how to treat a foreign word on the English side which doesn't fit in with an "approved" English term, and I often don't bother trying. The "other place" I referred to doesn't have that problem, but it doesn't have detailed entries for each word as happens here, just translations (with disambiguation where necessary). DonnanZ (talk) 16:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- delete I've never seen "book launch" before that I can recall, but I've seen "game launch" before, and the meaning of "book launch" is completely clear. Calling me the slave of a policy doesn't make an argument for keeping this phrase; what alternatives to this policy do we have? Why would we want to keep this entry?--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
- A negative thinker such as yourself would also want to delete hard launch and soft launch as SoP, but I wouldn't. DonnanZ (talk) 14:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think those are necessarily comparable. You can launch many things, but you can't launch "a hard" or "a soft". bd2412 T 23:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- A negative thinker such as yourself would also want to delete hard launch and soft launch as SoP, but I wouldn't. DonnanZ (talk) 14:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. But, I have edited the entry for launch, and added a new definition "An event held to celebrate the launch of a ship/vessel, project, a new book, etc." - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 00:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- RFD failed. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:32, 31 March 2019 (UTC)