Talk:house

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I'm not at all sure about the adjective definition. This looks to me like another case of adjectival nouns (nouns used syntactically as adjectives, to mean "of the [noun]". Anyone disagree? Ortonmc 20:56, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes you're right. The ways to test for this are 1) does it have comparative and superlative forms? (houser, housest: answer = no) 2) can I use it as a predicate? (this wine is house: answer = no). Therefore we have noun phrases which sould go under "related terms". Hippietrail 05:13, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

From WT:RFC[edit]

house#Derived terms: extended listing of "styles of house music" none of which meet WT:CFI. --Connel MacKenzie 20:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requests for deletion - kept[edit]

Kept. See archived discussion of January 2008. 07:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requests for verification - kept[edit]

Kept. See archived discussion of February 2008. 07:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Student hostel[edit]

Couldn't house also be used for a kind of "student hostel", see w:House system. /Natox 19:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

That’s not a separate sense, but yes, it can mean that by extension. —Stephen 15:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Translations[edit]

Wiktionary:Requests for deletion Discussion[edit]

Sense (Monopoly house) deleted. See discussion of January 2008.

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Rfv-sense: (US, slang) To steal, esp. one's intellectual property, such as ideas, music, etc.

This might be a PoV comment on house music which uses sampling a lot. And how would this be pronounced anyway? DCDuring TALK 23:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Failed.​—msh210 19:37, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


Housen[edit]

There is a somewhat obsolete/dialectal plural of housen. Detailed here:

  • Straight there’s two- there’s a school and there’s two housen this side on it. --AnWulf ... Ferþu Hal! 11:19, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Twi[edit]

I've added the Twi translation, taken from Hippocrene Twi–English English–Twi Concise Dictionary, Paul A. Kotey (1998).

81.140.30.1 11:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

South African sense[edit]

[1] says that a "house" in South Africa is a "free-standing dwelling. Usage differs from the UK, where a house is not free-standing, unlike a bungalow." A new sense for us to add? Equinox 18:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't know about the UK, but in the US, house usually (but not always) refers to a free-standing dwelling. So I don't think this is a unique South African sense. --WikiTiki89 19:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Transcription of Bakhtiari translation of "house"[edit]

On this page the Bakhtiari translation reads "Bakhtiari: حونه (hőwe)". The Persian translations read "Persian: خانِه (fa) (xâne), خونه (xune) (colloquial), خان (fa) (xân), کاشانه (fa) (kâšâne), کده (fa) (kade)". Both languages are related. Furthermore, if – and that is a big if – one may assume that in the word "حونه" the letter "ن" in Bakhtiari is pronounced like "n", as in Arabic, then the transcription as "hőwe" may be partly erroneous, and it may be something like "hőne".Redav (talk) 00:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

RfD-sense November 2015[edit]

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Sense: "An aggregate of characteristics of a house" as redundant to sense: "A structure serving as an abode of human beings" and other definitions. The only difference between this definitions is that one is being used in the partitive sense, when one says "too much house" or "more house", it's just a clipped form of "too much of a house" or "more of a house". Similar to the RfD for selah above. Yes, this entry is cited, but those citations could easily also apply to the "structure serving" definition. Purplebackpack89 21:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Delete this sense, as essentially the same as sense 1.1, but not the second RFD sense, the game of "playing house", which makes more sense to me. P Aculeius (talk) 01:59, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
    • The "playing house" sense is not under discussion in this RfD. It is tagged for discussion, not deletion, and I agree with you that it should not be deleted. Purplebackpack89 02:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, my mistake. P Aculeius (talk) 02:56, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
The 21 definitions given were very strangely organized and had a lot of redundancy. I've tried to clean them up a bit, combining the ones that seemed to be the same, and deleting a couple that didn't seem to belong (I don't think anyone ever said, "let's go play house", meaning "play bingo", or "let's play some house", meaning "put on the house music". I didn't change the sense under discussion here. P Aculeius (talk) 02:56, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Reverted. If you want to rfv the bingo and house music senses, go ahead- but I'm pretty sure the musical one, at least, will pass. You won't find house in all of the contexts where you would find house music, but that's not the same as saying it's never used. Feel free to add back the less-destructive parts of the edit.Chuck Entz (talk) 03:48, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Done. It would have been easy simply to restore the two definitions in question, instead of reverting all that work, however. The fact that attestation for previously unattested definitions might subsequently be discovered doesn't mean that a clean-up removing some of those definitions is "destructive." P Aculeius (talk) 13:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete. Renard Migrant (talk) 23:51, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete. There are a good number of nouns that are attestable in analogous "too much <noun>" constructions: "too much apartment", "too much sofa", "too much car", "too much boat", "too much motorcycle", "too much airplane", "too much dog", "too much horse", etc. This is obviously a figure of speech that's not tied to any one of its components: there are similar series for "not enough <noun>", "more <noun>", "less <noun>", etc. What they have in common is use of a quantitative modifier to frame a countable noun as a mass noun. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:58, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete. Merely systematic polysemy.--Sonofcawdrey (talk) 21:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete. 2602:306:3653:8920:F14D:7716:1583:E124 01:08, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Deleted Unanimous consent to delete this sense. Purplebackpack89 16:03, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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house

Rfv-sense: House music. No citation, attestation, or example sentences. Do people actually say "house" instead of "house music"? And if so, how is it different from "house beer" or "house wine" or any other thing that a particular house serves up, shortened? Seems like just a generic use of the word, if that's how it's meant. Is there any evidence that it's used specifically for music in some context where it wouldn't simply be an abbreviated form of the phrase "house music"? P Aculeius (talk) 06:34, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

OED: "house, n.3 A type of electronic dance music, influenced by funk and disco and typically featuring the use of drum machines, sequencers, sampled sound effects, and prominent synthesized bass lines, in combination with sparse, repetitive vocals and a fast beat." Smuconlaw (talk) 07:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Cited. WurdSnatcher (talk)
I withdraw my nomination, per the citation to OED and the examples given. Should I close this, or wait for someone else to? P Aculeius (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm slightly curious, though it's not relevant since the discussion's closed, but how did you not know this? Yes people refer to house music as house ('music' is redundant if's clear from the context). Would you rfv classical in the sense of classical music? Secondly house music literally has nothing to do with houses. It's not made in a house or inspired by a house. I mean, I'm sure there's a house somewhere in its etymology but I have no idea where. And etymology and usage are two different matters. How about rock, heard of that one? Renard Migrant (talk) 15:08, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Your self-righteous sarcasm is duly noted. P Aculeius (talk) 16:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
According to OED, house in the music sense is probably derived from The Warehouse, a nightclub in Chicago where the music became popular. I've therefore moved the music sense of the word into its own etymology section. Smuconlaw (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
I apologise for any offense caused, that was not my intention. Renard Migrant (talk) 11:17, 11 November 2015 (UTC)