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See Wiktionary:Requests for verification archive/2011. - -sche (discuss) 23:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Direct link: Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification_archive/2011/more#oak DAVilla 21:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

RFV discussion: September 2011–January 2012[edit]

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RFV of the adjective section, especially the "made of the wood of an oak" sense. I think "oak table" uses the noun "oak" attributively, and I cannot find examples of adjectival use, like "became oak" or "too oak" or "more oak than". The colour sense is more plausible. - -sche (discuss) 02:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Ruakh commented in the Beer Parlour that "Oak really shades into adjectiveness. It's used both attributively and predicatively in ways that resemble an adjective (google books:"oak furniture", "the furniture was oak")." I think this is a way most mass nouns which are materials can be used, a result of their being mass nouns and not as asign of their shading into adjectivity: compare "clay bricks", "the bricks are clay"; "titanium hull", "the hull is titanium". - -sche (discuss) 05:39, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I think most mass nouns denoting materials shade into adjectivity to varying degrees. Don't get me wrong, sometimes they're pretty clearly still nouns (it would be hard to contend that "carved oak" is an adjective in "furniture was carved oak"), but they resemble adjectives in their primary uses (both attributive and predicative), they are often coordinated with adjectives (see google books:"was oak and very", "were oak and very"), and when they do transition into full adjectives it's so smooth that no one notices until someone asks, "hey, how come we say 'more fun' instead of 'funner'?" and the answer turns out to be that fun was originally only a mass noun denoting the (abstract) material of which certain activities consist. (For some speakers it still is.) —RuakhTALK 14:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Thumbs up or thumbs down for the adjective sense? I'd say delete. --Hekaheka 03:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete sense. On a side note, while paging through the L.L. Bean catalog I noticed many shirts and sheets and so forth available in colors including "oatmeal", "sand dune", and "bay leaf". I think that the use of somewhat evocative nouns to indicate colors in those circumstances are a matter of marketing, not meaning. bd2412 T 18:47, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Sense deleted, striking. --Hekaheka 22:38, 24 January 2012 (UTC)