Talk:red piller

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red piller

(manosphere) One who believes that society is gynocentric.

Nothing really clear in Books or Groups. Given that the red pill metaphor can be applied to any belief claimed to represent a reality suppressed by society, I'm not sure this should be so specifically defined, if it exists. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:29, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: Sadly, it's real. This user is adding all the terms associated with that subculture, who are a very scummy set that luckily almost never take to the media that would qualify under CFI. I don't really want to look any harder at this stuff, but it's probably worth your time to check their other creations and bring them here. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 16:40, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I can cite fuckstrated and fuckstration, though neither gets more than a page of hits; perhaps they should be labelled rare and neologisms. Wikisaurus:incel needs to be moved to a better title if kept (when there are only a few entries, we tend to just like synonyms in the mainspace entries, don't we?). For one thing, I think we tend to prefer more common phrases as titles to rare words, even when the phrases are soppy (they are not mainspace entries, after all), cf. Wikisaurus:sports shoe, Wikisaurus:sports fan. For another, I think "incel" is used mainly by people with the POV that Meta alludes to. "Blue-baller" is probably citeable although the definition will need tweaking, pun possibly intended. "Thirsties" and "AWALT" should probably be RFVed. - -sche (discuss) 17:13, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Cf. Talk:red pill. In books, I find "piller" mainly as a typo or scanno of "pillar", with "red piller" hence a red pillar; I don't find a Matrixy sense. (Checking "piller of" vs "pillar of" in an effort to only find that typo, I see it's about 1/600th as common as "pillar".) I see only two uses of "red piller" on Usenet, one of which seems to be a (greengrocer's pluralization of) a general sense, "Red piller's of course, those who don't. Most of us are caught somewhere in between full commitment toward 'reality', [and...]", and one that I can't make heads of tails of: "What I don't understand is the reference to Queen Elizabeth. Is it a veiled reference to red piller male boxes?" - -sche (discuss) 16:55, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Definitely legit; see etymology at red pill (and I've more often seen these people self-described as redpills); the opposite (someone whose eyes have not been opened to THE TERRIBLENESS OF WOMEN!!!) is a blue pill, and I think there are also purple and black pills, but am not certain what those are. Needs to be marked as Internet slang at least. Cloudcuckoolander was good at citing this kind of stuff (from the obscurer durable sources like "Issuu" magazines). Equinox ◑ 19:40, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

BTW, one of User:Pass a Method's obsessions (other than Islam and US identity) was "incel", and I wonder whether he's back yet again. Equinox ◑ 19:42, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I've slapped a couple of quotes from online media on it, but:

1. I haven't verified that these have all appeared in print;
2. the upper-case spelling "Red Piller" is more common in those quotes, which may be a reference to the subreddit instead.

Feel free to ping me if other quotes are needed. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@Lingo Bingo Dingo - this has been sitting unresolved for months now. I am taking you up on your offer - can you find us three quotes that are not in upper case? Kiwima (talk) 21:57, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@Kiwima  Done... I think. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 09:37, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I now consider this RFV-passed. Kiwima (talk) 00:49, 19 July 2017 (UTC)