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Hello, and welcome to Wiktionary. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wiktionarian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk (discussion) and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~, which automatically produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the beer parlour or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! Cheers! bd2412 T 04:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome, it's good to see another contributor working on Greek. You may want to get in touch with Saltmarsh, as he is the primary person working on Greek right now. A page of note (if you haven't already seen it) is Wiktionary:About Greek, which is a work in progress (very nearly completed, I think) which defines the formatting procedures for Greek entries. I am working on Ancient Greek myself, and I think you'll find me completely useless on any matters related to modern Greek, but I am quite happy to see the Greek entries expanded in any way. Atelaes 06:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


Hey, Template:el-conj-'δροσίζω' looks fantastic. Well done. One thing that you may want to consider: the template could have a hiding feature, like Template:grc-conj-έω. I suppose it's not quite as important for this one, as it's not as absurdly long, but it is sort of long, and does effectively block out anything which comes after it. I have to do a lot of research before I'll be up to writing some decent conjugation templates for A. Greek, as it's somewhat complicated. The grc-conj-έω template was written by Medellia, who left in December and hasn't been back (much to my chagrin, as she knew a great deal more than I). While it is an extraordinary template, it doesn't work for very many words, and I think that a more adaptable template is required to tackle the ridiculous diversity inherent in A Greek verbs. Anyway, well done. Atelaes 00:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome! (I have been off for most of the last 2 weeks - transferring data to a new PC, sowing seeds in the garden (N51.88 E0.88) as Spring has arrived in England! and trying to get my head around masculine nouns with a view to declension templates for them) It will be especially good to have someone around with input into Greek. Your question: One thing they did in the Greek Wiki is that they added all the passive forms of the verbs as separate (main) entries, so they will have separate conjugation templates for those. I had a short think about Verb template layout some time ago but it didn't last for long! Separating Act:Pass seems sensible, and I like this !comprehensive! template - there are some new tenses for me so I shall have to print it off for study. The naming (Past perfective etc) seems fine. More points:
  1. Are you looking to modify {{el-conj-'δροσίζω'}} to differentiate form Ancient Greek?
  2. Looking at the translation you did in me there is a template for this {{t}}. It has the syntax shown in daughter-in-law and arguments (1) el for Greek, (2)Gender (m, f, c or n) and (3) number (s or p) 2 and 3 are optional.
  3. The site Πύλη για την ελληνική γλώσσα - just what I have been looking for (I think)
  4. I am going to (36hrs) put some stuff on Appendix:Greek nouns and will ask you to look over it.
Saltmarsh 06:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


I asked some time ago Wiktionary:Beer parlour#About Greek and received a silent response - I hope that you might be able to criticise it. In particular it would be good to agree a transliteration table before entering to many in the dictionary. —Saltmarsh 06:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I largely agree with you. Columns 1 and 2 in Wiktionary:About Greek/Transliteration it is - I still have a preference for χ = kh and δ = dh, particularly the former, but I guess the committee guys (librarians & geographers) have put a bit more thought into it than I have. I will swap the data around. —Saltmarsh 12:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki template linking[edit]

Wiktionary policy is to not cross-link templates. --EncycloPetey 12:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi. Please don't be too hasty to change the style of existing Etymology sections until some kind of consensus has been reached. Widsith 08:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that I agree with Atelaes' comments - but I'm anxious not to be diverted from trying to catch up with were I was some weeks ago - so my lack of comment does not not imply a lack of interest! —Saltmarsh 05:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I've given a response at Saltmarsh's talk page, you may want to check it out, if you haven't already done so. A couple of additional things: First, I said there that I would slightly prefer if you didn't go through and switch words with {{Gr.}} to {{AGr.}}. As I think about it, it really doesn't matter, as I'm going to have to go through both categories and check for red-linked etymons, and it would be better to have the words in the proper cat. in the mean-time. Secondly, in general, I'm not using prefixes. The thing is, in a lot of cases, I don't think that the Ancient Greeks were really using the prefix system, they were simply adding words together whole-sale, with some procedures about how letters mash together. Certainly there are some cases where there actually are set prefixes, but in my experience, it's the minority. So, for example, at hemisphere, I would have simply put ἥμισυς instead of the prefix form. An added benefit to this is that, even if the word is, in fact, using a prefix (it's admittedly difficult to tell sometimes), the prefix obviously derives from ἥμισυς, and so simply saying that it derives from ἥμισυς is not wrong, it's, at worst, missing an intermediate step. And I'm much more inclined to write entries for whole words than for prefixes, and so such a procedure will result in more blue links. I'll let you to mull that over and leave it at your discretion. Also, it appears that neurology (the one entry using {{MGr.}}) is in fact from modern Greek. It's sort of interesting because all of my etymology sources always simply say "Greek", but for that word they use "Modern Greek" and "Ancient Greek". I have to imagine that gyros is probably also from modern Greek. Atelaes 06:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the detailed reply! I'll try to not put the prefix if I'm sure about the full word. Also about neurology, so far I have: from the Online Etym. Dict., ML -> MGr (νευρολογία) (1664) -> etc. From another source (Μπαμπινιώτης) I have that the MGr term first showed up in 1864, and that it comes from the english word neurology :-( From another source (ΛΚΝ) I have that the MGr term comes from french and that the french word comes from the ancient νευρο- and -λογία. The moral of this story is, stop after looking in one source, or you'll... never know what time it is? ArielGlenn 07:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm....that's interesting. I'll check some of my sources and see what I can find on that. As for transliteration, I'm just going with r (part of the reasoning is that a lot of linguists think that r kept its roughness even in the middle of a word, which is why you sometimes see ̓ρῥ in the middle of a word. And yes, υ is always u. There were a number of Romanization and pronunciation issues which weren't hammered out until my latest round of edits to AAG. So you'll find f for φ, v for β, and a few other things floating around which I really need to go through and fix at some point (it's just that I already went through and cleaned up nearly all of the A. Greek words, with the exception of verbs, once, and I'm just not up to doing it all over again just yet). Any other questions, feel free to ask. Atelaes 14:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
A script which does the transliteration....interesting. But, to be honest, I probably wouldn't find a use for it. I know the Romanization scheme by heart, and so it only takes me a few seconds to type up a Romanization. Conversely, I am the most computer illiterate person on Wiktionary, and it would probably take you a week just to teach me how to use such a script (that's assuming I don't need to install anything additional on my computer, in which case it would be a month). So, until I find myself in a situation where I need to Romanize a big block of text, I think I'll stick to doing it the old-fasioned way. But thanks anyway. Atelaes 15:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Verb conjugations[edit]

Thanks for geeing me up, ELOT 743 values now entered into table. Are the "#2" tenses learned, colloquial or what I haven't come across them - I haven't come across them. How do the translate? —Saltmarsh 05:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)



Regarding the question you asked in your edit summary at Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2007-04/User:Beobach972: {{support}} is one of those templates that only works if it's subst'd. To use it, you type not {{support}}, but rather, {{subst:support}}. (This is because it includes ~~~~, which needs to be subst'd to a signature and timestamp.)

RuakhTALK 01:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


This word was recently listed at Wiktionary:Requested articles:Ancient Greek, but it's medieval, and doesn't show up in any of my sources (as they're all focused on Classical and Koine). Since you seem to have an understanding of both modern and ancient Greek, I thought that perhaps you might have access to some materials on medieval Greek. Or perhaps you could do the modern variant and call it a day? I'll try and create the entries for its etymons. Thanks much. Atelaes 04:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. Atelaes 21:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and as for what we should do about medieval Greek.........I have no idea. I must admit that I haven't been putting too much thought into it. The delineation of various periods of the Greek language is a troublesome issue which will have to be decided in time, but I really have no interest in attacking that issue just now. My reasoning is that I believe most users looking for Greek words (and also most editors entering words) will be looking for either modern words, with which to communicate with living Greeks, or ancient words, to read works from Homer til Paul. Everything in between is somewhat less important in my view. Certainly we eventually want Wiktionary to represent the Greek language in its entirety, as a dynamic language spanning millenia, but that is a long, long way off. My feeling is that once we get two respectable lexica, one for ancient and one for modern, then we can start worrying about what came in between. What we could do, to deal with etymologies and whatnot, is simply create a {{MGr.}} (Medieval Greek) template to use, and not worry about namespace issues. Past that.....I'm rather stumped. Atelaes 22:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

αλιάετος - εγέννησε[edit]

Thanks for that - πύλη, a useful site. Can you help with εγέννησε (from Wiktionary:Requested articles:Greek) it looks as though it could be AG? She gave birth? cheers —Saltmarsh 05:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

and for etym. μπύραSaltmarsh 05:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

ήμουν, etc[edit]

Hi there,

Not really a Wiktionary issue, but as you have Babel el-3 and have contributed recently enough to see this message, I thought you might be able to help me.

I'm learning (modern) Greek and am getting on very well with it - well enough to increase my Babel el-1 to el-2 at some point soon, I think. I'm working on the simple past (aorist) at the moment but one thing is bothering me: what are the plural forms of ήμουν? I've looked in three places and I've found three different answers.

My text book (which, alas, contains quite a few errors, I've noticed) has ήμασταν, ήσασταν, ήταν

Logos Translations Universal Conjugator (a very useful online resource) has the completely different forms ήμαστε, ήσαστε, ήσαν, but surely if that were correct, the first- and second-person plurals would be identical in sound to the present είμαστε and είσαστε (although είστε is probably more common than είσαστε).

My dictionary (Oxford Paperback Greek Dictionary) has something else again (I don't have it with me at the moment to be able to tell you).

So which is correct? Or is it one of the many words in Greek that have more than one form (such as σκύλος/σκυλί and the names of the months)?

I have lots of other questions too (such as when to use και and when to use κι; when to use εννέα and when to use εννιά), but I won't list them all here (one is more than enough for now).

Please reply on my user page. Thanks very much for your help. — Paul G 08:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


I wont ignore your notes - but I haven't sufficient time at present to think too hard about it :) - except perhaps to suggest that a Katharevousa (what's the adjectival form) word could appear as the entry I have just edited for καρβονικόν ? —Saltmarsh 06:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I have just thought of an alternative (2) below using a template:
  1. carboxylic, Katharevousa form of καρβονικό
  2. (katharevousa) form of καρβονικό, carboxylic
Saltmarsh 09:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Form of templates[edit]

Medellia is on vacation (Hawaii) right now, but I can offer a solution we devised for Latin. Look at albus (a lemma page) and the various inflected forms that are all linked from the declension table. You'll see the {{inflection of}} template, such as {{inflection of|albus|albus|nom|f||s}}, which can accept arguments for case, number, and gender. It should work for any noun or adjective. The plan is to design a second similar template for verb conjugation. --EncycloPetey 06:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Using template {{inflection of}} would seem like an excellent idea - at the moment I cannot see any counter arguments and it would be nice to see the uniformity created! —Saltmarsh 05:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
and I have now modified the noun and adjective sections of WT:AEL to show the definitions for αδελφοί and ζεστήSaltmarsh 06:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added the category to {{el-verb}} and added some instructions to the talk page. Looking at the history - I started this 6 months ago, and then forgot about it! And amended WT:AEL in line with that, please feel free to change things. —Saltmarsh 11:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Noun inflection lines[edit]

Thanks for introducing new inflection lines - I have just created a new template {{el-noun}} to replace the 4 gender-specific ones - it has a new initial argument m, f, n or c. —Saltmarsh 06:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Adjective inflection lines[edit]

We presently have:

  ζεστός (zestós) m Module error sg,     f:ζεστή, n:ζεστό

Can we assume gender case number for the lemma form? giving:

  ζεστός (zestós)     f:ζεστή, n:ζεστό

Eventually the inflection will be in a table - so can we reduce this to (to give basic info until the inflection is provided:

  ζεστός (zestós) -ή, -ό

And do we add comparative forms etc?

Or do you have any lateral thoughts? —Saltmarsh 13:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

EP here. For most languages, we assume nominative and singular for the lemma, but we don't assume gender. Part of the reason for that is that not all the languages which have gender have the same gender categories. For example, Dutch has only "common" and "neuter"; Polish subdivides masculine into two genders (animate and inanimate). So marking the gender is important for people who aren't familiar with the language they're looking up.
I would suggest a pattern similar to either what is done for Spanish entries (see cansado) or for Latin entries (see albus). Mind you, we're in the process of overhauling Latin page format, so the current format may not be the one we end up with a month from now. I would advise in any case against the last option given above. Print dictionaries use that format to save space, but "Wiktionary is not paper". We can afford the space to state clearly and fully what is meant. --EncycloPetey 08:03, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
You mention a vote - do we need to do that? I'm not against doing so (my previous forays endeavouring to get opinions on modern Greek matters have met a resounding silence). Perhaps we could finalise inflection lines for Greek POS and put them up in the Beer Parlour to see what other thoughts there are about?
I like the suggested format - we should confirm with each other the following are deliberate rather than accidental: (1) omission of brackets around f & n forms; (2) omission of romanisations for the non-lemma forms; (3) the use of f instead of feminine
Looking at the above omissions, I wonder whether the noun inflection should change and

πρόβλημα n (próvlima)   (plural προβλήματα (provlímata))


πρόβλημα n (próvlima)   (plural προβλήματα)

with or without the brackets? —Saltmarsh 05:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
(1) re irc - I had to look it up, sounds interesting enough to investigate further :) (2) I will put together a draft inflection lines for each POS - we seem to agree that a clean, easy to read text is to be preferred! —Saltmarsh 14:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Quickly put together at (there may be typos? have I missed other POS which require more? !) User:Saltmarsh/Sandbox2Saltmarsh 14:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

POS summary[edit]

I have ammended and added to my Sandbox2 entry - nb please be critical! You mention imperfective past. I thought that έγραψα was the perfective past or aorist - or have I got my terminology wrong? Or did you mean that we should quote the imperfective past (ie έγραφα) (again - have I got my grammar muddled). My Greek dictionaries mostly dont give alternative forms, but my Jordanidou usually gives the form with the changed consonants. —Saltmarsh 06:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Katharevousa (moved from user page)[edit]

  1. what do we do with καθαρεύουσα anyways? Or old forms all ending n -ν (some of them have been entered)?
Katharevousa forms should certainly go in, provided they are labelled as such. "Modern Greek" should always mean Demotic Greek. Whether "Katharevousa" should be a heading or a label is a matter for debate - is Katharevousa considered a distinct language from Modern Greek? — Paul G 08:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


  1. I have put up those suggested inflection lines on the Wiktionary:Beer parlour#Greek_inflection_lines - I hope that you are happy with the format.
  2. Interesting to see PaulG's comments above re Katharevousa - I will put something up at Wiktionary talk:About Greek - I will let you and him know when it is done.
  3. You mention a bot to search out new entries (good idea) - is there a list anywhere of red linked Greek words —Saltmarsh 07:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: sortkeys and stuff[edit]

Once you've moved πάν to παν, there will be no need for the DEFAULTSORT, since the value of "παν" will be the same as the page name. It can be removed after the move. In Ancient Greek, there is no "πάν" that I can see (in my copy of the Middle Liddell), only "Πάν", "πάντος", and "πᾶς", so I guess that πάν will need to be deleted. It might make sense to have πάν- as a combining form, but my Ancient Greek isn't good enough to know. Mike Dillon 02:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: help needed for announcement to various wikts (including fr)[edit]


  • I really have few time available, and that until probably the end of November (too much work, and then moving to another country), so it would be best if you ask another contributor. For example, User:Lmaltier is very active (but not on IRC).
  • Also, I don't understand really well how the page is organized, and in particular where people should be discussing.
  • P.S.: I don't read my talk page on en.wikt very much... Contacting me on fr.wikt or omegawiki or IRC has more chance of success. Cheers, Kipmaster 08:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


woops didn't see that melissa was translated from Irish beach ;) Mallerd 16:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

translation lines for greek (ancient, modern)[edit]

I must admit to using the format below - but only because I had followed the lead shown elsewhere (eg girl for Apache translations) this format appear elsewhere for a number of languages: Romanian has Cyrillic and Roman flavours, and Chinese has more than one.

  • Greek:
    • Ancient: ...
    • Modern: ...

I don't feel strongly, perhaps we should choose the most common, as involing the least work! (this is yet another case of something which should be written up in help. Maybe it is, but is it to be found? !!) —Saltmarsh 14:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Romanisation entries[edit]

I am strongly opposed to creating romanisation entries. Firstly, there is not a standard way of romanising. Is it pnevma -as it's pronounced- or should it be pneuma -as it's written? And why άγγελος is angelos? Most Greek people pronounce just agelos, without an n, so angelos does not depict either the writing or the pronunciation of the word. Therefor it wouldn't be wise to establish such an ambiguity as an entry. Secondly, excuse me for being "hyper"sensitive in matters concerning my own language. If you know what I mean! -) --Flyax 07:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I have copied this to Flyax.
A while ago I too felt that transliterations should be phonetic - I list below a few quotations which disabused me:

from Wiktionary:Beer_parlour_archive/October-December_05#Romanization
Romanization is just that: a (usually systematic) respelling of a word in Roman characters, for the benefit of those who cannot read foreign alphabets (either from lack of skill or lack of fonts). It is no phoneticization; the spelling is no more meant to accurately indicate the pronunciation than the spelling of English 'eighth' or 'have' indicate the pronunciation of the words they represent. If we weren't a dictionary, we might worry about this, but we are a dictionary and all our entries have room for ===Pronunciation=== sections. —Muke Tever 20:31, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
from Wiktionary:Beer_parlour_archive/2007/March#63296644408
Sorry about this - can I try again? I should have asked two direct(ish) questions, with specific reference to modern Greek:
1. "there should be a transliteration for all occurrences of words in non-latin scripts in inflection lines and in Translation sections". This will be un-wikified and provide a clear guide to pronunciation?
2. A user hears a Greek "No!" (όχι). Is s/he to be able to seach for ocki, ochi, ohi and any other variation in order to reach όχι ? (Which is what I felt the guidance was saying)
Saltmarsh 15:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
(1) Mostly yes. For entries in non-Roman scripts, a non-wikified transliteration should be provided in the inflection line. For translations in non-Roman scripts included in a Translations table, there should be a non-wikified transliteration included. But there is no guarantee it will provide a clear guide to pronunciation. The transliteration should follow a consistent standard interpreting the spelling mainly into Roman letters, and it therefore may not accurately reflect the pronunciation. This will vary according to the language being transliterated.
(2) This kind of search may be done using a text search feature. It does not require that we have an article for any transliterated spelling. Just as we do not have entries for every possible "phonetic" spelling of English words, we do not need them for other languages. --EncycloPetey 01:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Saltmarsh 06:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

oops :-([edit]

not oops at all:) useful practice for a duffer. I am on a slow dialup at present so it will be a while before I investigate irc. Suggest that discussion of particulars could be on Wiktionary_talk:About_Greek/TransliterationSaltmarsh 14:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I'd like to nominate you for Wiktionary admin. Would you be willing to accept? DAVilla 07:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[It seems unwise...] due to my lack of knowledge about wiki* and this project in general. And isn't there some minimum term of being active, too? (And I'm not even a sysop.) However, since you are on right now, do you have access to irc? I am in the #wiktionary channel atm. ArielGlenn
I'm sorry, I don't use IRC. I had thought you might already be active on other wikis, but if you want to wait, I will revisit the issue at a later date. Feel free to discuss with me anything you don't fully understand, and thank you for your contributions and for your level-headedness. DAVilla 07:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Bored yet? With sysop status you would have a few extra buttons to play with, like Delete, and you would be able to edit protected pages. It's not a question of who will use the tools actively, rather who can be trusted to be responsible with them. Aside from community guidelines that apply to all contributors, there's no requirement to play a leadership role or anything (although you would seem like a natural). So, would you like a few extra buttons to push? DAVilla 00:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Please accept here. DAVilla 21:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Greek Grammar[edit]

Appendix:Greek_third_declension is now corrected.

Many Thanks,

John Cross 10:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


Was added by Guaka in November 2003, along with some others. The 'pedia doesn't have an article on Slovio any more, it was deleted. I'm just removing it. Robert Ullmann 16:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


--Connel MacKenzie 01:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Just checking in[edit]

No - not pissed off :), I got side tracked into something I thought would take 5min, like most things here it expanded to fill the time available! I am off to Barcelona for a week - leaving Friday - and will take up Ελληνικά on my return. I was somewhat put off the About Greek page which is apprently in the wrong place or whatever - and will return with the "intention" of splitting it in two. —SaltmarshTalk 10:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Barcelona was great - back to normal life again! You implied (if I read correctly between the lines) in your last note to me that you weren't sure where to start. I am not sure what your XML dump gives - is it possible to extract red linked Greek words in the Translations section of English words? It would be useful to go through these filling up the gaps. I have been trying to go through the words in the Category of Greek nouns making sure that they had the bare minimum (see ακροατήριο) and putting them in the Greek nouns lacking inflection category, for later completion. And will pick up again when I've finished with the Bible! —SaltmarshTalk 11:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

New Buttons[edit]

Welcome to sysophood. Please update your entry at Wiktionary:Administrators/List of administrators. Cheers. SemperBlotto 08:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks. Could you create the Greek entry as well? I'd have done so, but don't know enough about modern Greek to be sure of what I'm doing; this word isn't even in my (modern) Greek dictionary!

PS - I'm around a lot for the next few days, so if you have admin questions when Semper is offline, I'd be happy to help. There are a number od things not explained anywhere here, but you can find a number of useful guides for admins on just have to remeber that their policies differ from ours in a number of subtle and not-so-subtle ways :P --EncycloPetey 17:57, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

καλή χρονιά[edit]

re nenikikamen and CFI - such words will always be problematic, but with 1000+ Googles there may always be people who will look it up. cheers —SaltmarshTalk 07:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

I really appreciate your advice as you've saved me from a few problems I stumbled upon in the past. I'd often come across a few Greek words on a few occasions, and would be clueless as to how to turn some words into the Latin alphabet and hence would have to postpone editing them, so I'll be treating the manual you gave me as kind of like a bible! :) With regards to the term: Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση, I have to admit, it did confuse me at first, and whilst I often do transliterations on my own, I used the transliteration provided on European Union page (assuming it was correct), which I will now edit out and add your transliteration. :) Also, it's great to see another Modern Greek editor! We don't seem to be very abundant here so I'm glad and comforted to know I'm not the only one! I appreciate your devotion here, and thanks for the assistance! I hope to see you around! :) AndyPandy 00:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


A discussion is afoot at Wiktionary talk:About Ancient Greek#Mycenaean.......Greek? Redux. You have been invited because you participated in a previous discussion, I thought you might have a particular insight or interest in the discussion, or simply because I wanted to spam your page and irritate you. Check it out. Atelaes 09:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


Hello ArielGlenn,
please send your real-name, your wikiname, your prefered login-name and the public part of your ssh-key to zedler-admins.png. We plan to create your account soon then. --DaB. 00:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. ArielGlenn 10:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: About duplicate boxes[edit]

I'm starting to see the reasons why. For example, Superman should stay with {{wikipedia}} whilst superman gets {{wikipedia|dab=superman (disambiguation)|superman}}. That about right? What about for cases such as these? Sesshomaru 05:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think people will be weighing in over there (Beer Parlor) on this question. If I were adding the boxes myself, I would tend to point to the disambiguation pages when more than one meaning with a major wikipedia article is covered by the word, and to a specific article over there otherwise, but it is a judgment call. -- ArielGlenn 06:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


Just thought I'd let you know that some idiot has apparently inserted your email address into this entry. It's been removed.  :P -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 02:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome message :D As you may have noticed I new around here and I do hope I won't anything wrong. I mainly edit at WP. If I make any changes here it will be closely related to the articles I edit at WP. So... c u around (maybe at some point ask questions) A.Cython 01:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you do not mind, I would like to ask you a favor. Whenever you have free time, can you have a look at the entries I have added here: Venizelos, Venizelism and Venizelist, and if possible add your opinion here. If on the other hand I have done something wrong please let me know about it. Thank you in advance! PS: please note that Venizelist and Venizelism exist at the Oxford Dictionary Online. A.Cython 14:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for an Interview[edit]

Dear Ariel,

my name is Bernhard Karakoulakis. I'm a studying cultural anthropology at the University of Frankfurt/germany, in order to receive a bachelor degree. Currently i'm part of a project, that does research about future ubiquitous information technologies and its impacts on society, thinking and other technologies.

The reason i write you is that my part in the project is a study (working)titled: "Disruppted Futures. The impacts on future ubiquitous tech- nologies on today's mediawikis", for which i talk to media wiki developers to find out about links between any kinds of expected futures, ubiquitous information technologies and the way todays wikis are designed/developed/extended. I'm interested in your opinions on reasons why the mediawiki technologie is designed as it's designed, and on how emerging seamless technologies are influencing the way of designing mediawiki.

I'd be glad if you liked to be interviewed. if this sounds interesting to you, and you like to talk to me, email back. I'm living in germany, so i'd like to do the interview via SKYPE, Telephone or email, sometime until the end of november. Tell me when and how it would be okay for you, and i'll take's always okay for me.

Informations about the project can be viewed here:

U-Society project page If you have any questuions, mail me anytime

greetings and thanks for your time so far!

Bernhard Karakoulakis

-- Bernhard Karakoulakis
Institut für Kulturanthropologie und Europäische Ethnologie
Goethe Universität, Frankfurt am Main
Institut für Kulturanthropologie und Europäische Ethnologie

--Karakoulakis 11:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


Congratulations on your promotion to Wikimedia staff! from the other side of the Atlantic in Liverpool, United Kingdom. AC --Sunstar NW XP 13:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


Hey, long time no see. I know you haven't been doing much on en wikt lately, but I was wondering if you'd have the time and interest in fulfilling the rfv on this word. Flyax wasn't interested, and I don't know whom else to turn to. My Greek is nowhere near competent enough for this task. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 17:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi; just wondering...[edit]

Is there an adoption program here on Wiktionary? Its just there is one on Wikipedia and since Download adopted me I have improved an extreme ammount on editing. I really do still need to learn a little more about Wiktionary. I was just asking you since its was you that pointed out to stick to the languages I know. Ross Rhodes (T C) Sign! 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Greek character transliteration[edit]

You suggested that I might help with the mapping file for Transliteration. I have put a draft list of values (which seem to work with the Transliterator) at Wiktionary:About Greek/Transliteration-new and discussion may take place at its talk page. I mention it in case you have thoughts on the subject. —Saltmarshαπάντηση 14:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Greek adjective headword line.[edit]

Hi - the headword/inflection line we currently use is not satisfactory (it says m Template:nominative sg) - when it may well be another case form as well as nominative. Most dictionaries, monolingual as well as bilingual, show the feminine and neuter endings after the masculine form.

I have worked up a new template (currently called {{el-test}}) whose output you can see at at τέλειος - please let me know if you think that this is an improvement. —Saltmarshαπάντηση 08:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The template is now {{el-adj}}Saltmarshαπάντηση 12:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Now amended - any further tweeks? —Saltmarshαπάντηση 17:30, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
How about the other Modern Greek headword lines? You said you noticed me "on el recently" - δεν καταλαβαίνω :) —Saltmarshαπάντηση 17:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
re mf against other entries - adjectives will only two (or have I missed something?) infl templates (excl comparatives etc) (1) the lemma (all masc) and (2) other forms - but some of these (eg βαθύ) cover more than one gender. —Saltmarshαπάντηση 19:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
There has been discussion at User_talk:Stephen_G._Brown#Greek_adjective_headword_line about this - it would be more appropriate if it all took place at User_talk:Saltmarsh#new_inflection_line_for_adjs, I'll put future replies there. —Saltmarshαπάντηση 07:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


I note that you removed "tyrant" and its derivatives from δεσποτικός etc. In English the two words are synonymous in all but the specialised sense of the Byzantine title. In the Greek they may differ, but I feel that they don't in Englsih. Please could you explain. Cheers —Saltmarshαπάντηση 18:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Since there is the greek word el:τυραννικός I would put the corresponding english word there. While we could list all the synonyms at each translation, I prefer when possible a "best match" which includes meaning, register, context and frequency of usage, and I often fold in etymological considerations as well. In this case with those criteria it seemed best to me to split the english terms up. Hope that makes sense. -- ArielGlenn 21:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I think that in the Translations section of English words the "best match" is all that should be there, but this is for cosmetic reasons - that section's unmanageable size if every language has multiple translations. And in some cases I have been moving some of these mutiple entries to the Synonyms section of the "best match" translation.
This does not apply to the English translations as definitions of Greek words. It seem to me that the better dictionaries will give all reasonable translations. Is there a way of showing one more than that one "best match? My Collins en:el gives δεσπότης α. (informal) bishop β. despot; (figurative) tyrant γ. (of Epirus, Mystra) despot. My others (Langenscheidt, Oxford pocket) only give one = despot. The first if more useful - although at the cost of introducing contexts. Help:How_to_check_translations#Translations_of_foreign_words seems to bear out what I'm saying. —Saltmarshαπάντηση 16:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
OK, whatever you think best. -- ArielGlenn 17:09, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

a little test[edit]

seeing if we can enable lqt on this page. -- ArielGlenn 06:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

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Hi ArielGlenn! I would like to thank you for all of your help translating and helping coordinate volunteers during this year's fundraiser. Your collaboration was paramount to the success of the campaign and personally, made my job a very pleasant one. I wish you well in the year ahead and hope our paths cross again. Hope you are enjoying your new surrounding! All the best - schapman

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Inflection tables for modern Greek verbs006:58, 8 January 2013
lqt test number 11319:47, 20 May 2010

Inflection tables for modern Greek verbs

I want to add conjugations to Greek verbs - you did work on this some years ago, but it hasn't neemn followed up. Please look at Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2013/January#Inflection_tables_for_modern_Greek_verbs and let me know what you think. - thanks

Saltmarshαπάντηση06:58, 8 January 2013

lqt test number 1

here it is, the first lqt thread on en wikt. Did I break anything? --

ArielGlenn06:11, 17 May 2010

Did you break anything - not so far as I can see. "Bump this thread" - what is that - perhaps a floating hint for the ignorant.

Saltmarshαπάντηση06:24, 17 May 2010

Bump this thread is, I think, "put this thread on the top of the page" (so that it can get people's attention). --

ArielGlenn06:47, 17 May 2010

(1) Should the new message disappear? (2) When you "mark as read" the link back to your page has a typo (I think) it fails. "#thread-name" instead of "/thread-name" ? (3) is the a help page?

Saltmarshαπάντηση06:33, 17 May 2010

"should the new message" should read "new messages (1)" - link at top of page

Saltmarshαπάντηση06:36, 17 May 2010

I really am not sure about these details. I guess we'll find out through usage. If these are actual bugs you could report 'em in bugzilla (if someone else hasn't done so already). Let's see, there is a help page here: [1]. Have fun! --

ArielGlenn06:46, 17 May 2010

Sweet! I am so pumped about liquid threads. Now, this showed up as six new messages in my....list of things at the top of the page. Was this somehow addressed to me, or is every single user of Wiktionary seeing "six new messages!"? If the latter, that's pretty stupid. In any case, I'm kind of excited to see how this all works.

-Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί10:05, 17 May 2010

It sure shouldn't be everybody. But it might be everybody who has my page on their watch list. Guess we'll find out ;-)

ArielGlenn15:15, 17 May 2010

I suppose that if it was everyone we'd have a lot more people here bitching than we do.

-Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί22:37, 17 May 2010

They are mostly bitching in the BP are they? ;-) The only problem I have with this (other than the occasional buglet) is that each post takes a lot more space on the page now with the formatting like it is. Signed wikitext is more compact.

ArielGlenn15:07, 18 May 2010

I think it's everyone who has replied to this message. Do you get an orange bar (in addition to the ever-incrementing number) if I reply here?

Conrad.Irwin15:15, 18 May 2010

I sure do. (My, people are fast repliers!) Btw are you on IRC-break or just forgot to set the usual channels on autojoin?

ArielGlenn15:17, 18 May 2010

Yes (to IRC break), I've got finals in a fortnight (I'm still logged in, and respond to the occasional PM) - I should really sign off of Wiktionary too - addictions are so hard to crack.

Conrad.Irwin15:20, 18 May 2010