User talk:Mulder1982

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Again, welcome! Mglovesfun (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

tarvur[edit]

See my formatting corrections. Please take note for next time. Part of speech headings should never contain numerals JamesjiaoTC 00:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Translations[edit]

The Wiktionary community encouarges the addition of translations, but expects its users to add only translations for languages they are familiar with. If you do dpeak Arabic, Min-Nan, Slovak, and Faroese, then that is great. But, if you are not personally familiar with those languages, it is a very bad idea to add translations in those languages. --EncycloPetey 20:29, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Your response to my comments above are confusing to me. "necromancy" is not a country; it is a word. I repeat: if you are not personally familiar with those languages, it is a very bad idea to add translations in those languages. Editors have been blocked in the past for doing this. --EncycloPetey 15:07, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Babel[edit]

Could you add {{Babel}} to your user page? I'd appreciate it.

An aside: If you choose to respond to this post, please respond here on your talk page. --Dan Polansky 11:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Halló![edit]

User:Metaknowledge told me you have made a lot of contributions in a number of languages, so I'd just like to say hello. I see from your Babel box that you have a wide range of languages.

I recently started a new project for languages with lesser documentation. You can find it at WT:LDL, though it still needs a lot of work.

I was wondering if you'd be interested in working on an "about" page for Faroese. It should be placed at WT:About Faroese. You might also talk to some of the other Faroese editors at Category:User_fo.

Also, we recently passed a vote that makes it easier to add words for languages lesser documentation. Now, only one actual use of the word in a book, etc., is needed as long as a template such as {{LDL}} is used. You can see the rules at Wiktionary:CFI#Number_of_citations. I hope that makes it easier to add words.

Best regards! --BB12 (talk) 06:22, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

tollaksmessa[edit]

Hi. I just added tollaksmessa and I wasn’t 100% sure whether it’s /ˈtʰɔtlaksˌmɛsːa/ or /ˈtʰɔlːaksˌmɛsːa/. – Krun (talk) 10:34, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Sæll. I looked over your article, and it looks correct. (the former that is). Mulder1982 (talk) 11:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! – Krun (talk) 13:43, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Also, about valborgarmessa, is the first a short, as I’ve made it, or should it start with /ˈvɛaːl/? – Krun (talk) 13:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
No, it's short. Compounds are not exceptions to the rule of the shortening, so <valborg> does indeed have a short <a>. (Although some Faroese people tend to hypercorrect themselves and pronounce similar compounds with a long vowel, but this is incorrect, really. But well done. :) Mulder1982 (talk) 17:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Faroese rhymes[edit]

Hi again. I’ve begun to create rhyme pages for Faroese. Can you check them (Category:Faroese rhymes) for me? I also have a few questions about Faroese pronunciation:

  1. whether -i at the end of a word is truly /ɛ/ (I have seen it transcribed as /ɪ/ as well)
  2. whether (unstressed) -ið and/or -ig are pronounced the same as -i, i.e. /ɛ/, at the end of a word (e.g. øki and økið); what about -u/-ug and -a/-að (e.g. tosa, tosað; blóðug, móðu)?
  3. whether -i (-ið, -ig) at the end of a syllable (but not the end of a word) is also pronounced /ɛ/ or is it then /ɪ/? Example: øgiligur
  4. the article about Faroese on Wikipedia seems to suggest that there are two different voiced sounds for written r, distinguishing [ʐ] in ráða [ˈʐɔːa], fyrra [ˈfɪʐːa], áðrenn [ˈɔaːʐɪnː] (initial/intervocalic) and [ɹ] in morgun, bátar, seyður [ˈsɛiːjʊɹ], etc.; is this accurate, and if so, is this merely an allophonic distinction, or are they really separate phonemes?
  5. what is the unvoiced r sound (in merki, svartur, etc.); and what is the pronunciation of rs (e.g. in byrsa, orsaka, írskur, lutherskur, bulgarskur, oberstur)?

– Krun (talk) 19:19, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, well, from what I've learned so far:
  1. -i actually varies a lot being anything from [ɪ] over [ɛ] and [e] to [ə]. This is why, the morpheme is written as /ɪ/, so sticking to this would be the best option.
  2. The final -ð or -g has no influence on the pronunciation. AFAIK, it never does.
  3. This one is similar to the 1st one. In the case of øgiligur it becomes: /ˈøːjɪˌliːjʊɹ/.
  4. This has been written about for a long time, but I don't know where they get the idea of [ʐ] from. AFAIK, there's only one rhotic-phoneme in Faroese: /ɹ/. So stick to this.
  5. In the first it's 'simply': [ɹ̥]. Note that if possible it retroflexes the following sound so the <t> in <svartur> is [ʈ]. <rs> is AFAIK and AFAICT always [ʂ].
- Mulder1982 (talk) 21:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
OK, so I assume this rhyme page is okay. I also wonder about whether there is elision in Faroese, as in Icelandic. In Icelandic, unstressed word-final -a, -i and -u are often dropped before a word beginning in a vowel (or h + vowel when the h is dropped). Does this happen in Faroese at all? – Krun (talk) 14:59, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
The only thing I can think of off-hand is that some pronouns might loose the aspiration, so a phrase like: "Hugna tær!", might be pronounced as "Hugna dær!". There may be other examples as well, but this is the only one I can think of right now. Mulder1982 (talk) 23:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Old Church Slavonic descendants[edit]

There are quite a few OCS entries that list descendants across all Slavic languages. Someone must have assumed that OCS was the same as Proto-Slavic, even though it's not. In fact I'm not sure if it has any descendants at all. It would be appreciated if you could find and fix the other entries as well. —CodeCat 20:12, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Well, OCS has no modern descendants, and it's not the same as Proto-Slavic, that's true, however some of the modern Slavic language _do_ have some loanwords from OCS, and these should be listed there, and yes, I will look through the articles, and in cases where I'm certain, I'll correct these. Mulder1982 (talk) 20:15, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

prsia[edit]

I'm not sure what your latest edit was for. You added a script, but forgot the more important part: the language. The language is required, the script is optional, because it can be derived from the language. So instead of sc=Avst it should be lang=ae. —CodeCat 01:40, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi,[edit]

I just wanted to laud you for adding articles relating to words in Skolt Sámi, and the knowledge of them. Where were you able to learn them? I'm only asking out of intellectual curiosity, haha. Porokello (talk) 02:03, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I don't speak it, so I'm mainly using whatever glossaries or declension tables I can find online to add more material on it. Also I use cognates in other Finno-Ugric languages for the etymology sections. I know that this is probably the most professional way of doing things, but I do try to be at least 150% sure before adding anything at all. I have a weakness for minority languages, especially Finno-Ugric (especially Finno-Saamic) ones and I did once find a course in Skolt Sámi and I'd do anything to be able to attend that one. Looks like though, that I'd have to learn Finnish first. But oh well, I guess that in the meantine I can do my deed by adding stuff here on Wiktionary. Mulder1982 (talk) 02:16, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
It's funny, I have a soft spot for Finno-Ugric languages too. I've added a small volume of Karelian nouns to the database, and done some stuff for Finnish as well. I've been learning Finnish on my own for a bit, so editing Wiktionary helps reinforce knowledge. Porokello (talk) 02:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Long etymologies[edit]

Hi. Please do not duplicate content like this, especially since that one may be wrong (see Beekes for an alternative origin). It makes harder to maintain the etymology. If someone is interested in the origin of սապոն (sapon) beyond Ancient Greek, let him check out σάπων (sápōn). --Vahag (talk) 16:08, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Missing plural form[edit]

Slovak noun džíp is missing the instrumental plural form in its declension table. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 02:11, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

It was actually the accusative singular, that was missing. But thanks for pointing that out to me! (y) Mulder1982 (talk) 02:13, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

ausa and eys[edit]

Hi there. Could you tell me what eys means in Icelandic, please? I guess something from ausa. What does the headword line "ausa (eys; jós, jusu, ausið)" mean? --Back on the list (talk) 16:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

eys is the present tense (either 1st or 3rd person) of the verb að ausa. The head line you describe is the dictionary declension of the verb: infinitive, present tense, 3rd person past tense singular, 3rd person past tense plural, supine. This is how Nordic verbs are usually conjugated in dictionaries. Mulder1982 (talk) 23:48, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Could you please add an Icelandic entry for eys too? --Back on the list (talk) 12:42, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Sure, if I figure out the exact details of the meaning, then no problem. Mulder1982 (talk) 15:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Elfdalian[edit]

Elfdalian doesn't actually descend from Old Swedish. Old Swedish is specifically an East Norse dialect (from which Danish also descends), which Elfdalian is not. You can see that in how certain sounds developed: Old Norse au > East Norse ø, but > Elfdalian o. —CodeCat 22:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I was puzzled by that, because some of the Proto-Germanic appendices list Elfdalian as being a descendant of Old Swedish (I am a university student of Faroese, so I know more about West than East Nordic as a result), so I carefully added those. However, I can also carefully remove them. It's no biggy. Mulder1982 (talk) 22:18, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that several Wikipedia articles also classed it as East Scandinavian and descending from Old Swedish. I changed that now as well, although I don't know how valid it is either way. The articles don't say anything about what criteria there are for the classification. I think a lot of people just assume anything in Sweden must be Swedish... —CodeCat 23:08, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Slovak dictionaries[edit]

The Slovak dictionaries do not contain any entry for "Čierne more", so should not be referenced. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, it has an entry in Pravidlá slovenského pravopisu. Hence I put it there. Mulder1982 (talk) 17:23, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Oops, you're right, I have overlooked that. Sorry. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:21, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
V pohode, kamo! :) Mulder1982 (talk) 22:26, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Transcription of Uralic (proto-)languages[edit]

Hello! I noticed you've been doing work on Uralic etymology. I invite you to take a look at Wiktionary talk:About Proto-Uralic for input on figuring out transcription standards. --Tropylium (talk) 14:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Creating categories[edit]

I have recently written a script for MewBot that automatically creates certain categories (those it recognises) whenever they appear in Special:WantedCategories. So it's probably not really necessary to create lots of them yourself, at least not if you are patient and can wait until the list updates. —CodeCat 22:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Right, OK. Usually, I am but sometimes I'm not. But well, it doesn't really bother me doing a lot of them myself. Thanks for the tip, though. :) Mulder1982 (talk) 22:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Stress in Macedonian[edit]

I saw you making edits such as this one. Here's a tip: Macedonian does not have phonemic stress (it is predictably on the antepenult or on the first syllable if the word has less than three syllables). So when you are removing the transliteration from Macedonian, you do not need to add a stress mark to original Cyrillic script. Note that this only applies to Macedonian. --WikiTiki89 17:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I actually know this, but I just kept it since the old tr= thingies had them. But sure, I'll just mark irregular stress (those not on the antepenultimate stress) from now on (pretty much what I intended anyway). Mulder1982 (talk) 23:06, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:temp vs. template:m[edit]

There is currently no clear consensus for replacement of template:temp with template:m. Therefore, you should not perform a systematic replacement. --DPMaid (talk) 00:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

You mean Template:term ? In that case, OK, I thought this was decided already. My bad. Anyway, what I'm doing these days is not this. I'm just removing redundant transliterations of Gothic (and others that happen to be on the same page) Mulder1982 (talk) 01:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
diff is a recent edit in which you are converting temp to m. --Dan Polansky (talk) 01:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Ehm... I can't see that I've changed any 'temp' to m... just 'term' to m... Mulder1982 (talk) 01:09, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I mean term all the time, my mistake. --Dan Polansky (talk) 01:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, well, is there any place where you vote on this? I really prefer m since it's quick and easy and it probably saves space on Wiktionary's servers aswell. Mulder1982 (talk) 01:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Since, in discussions, multiple people supported and multiple people opposed, I have created Wiktionary:Votes/2014-08/Migrating from Template:term to Template:m, to start in a week. --Dan Polansky (talk) 01:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. Mulder1982 (talk) 01:27, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
You can ignore Dan, he's being overly bureaucratic. I support your replacements and encourage you to continue. —CodeCat 01:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
CodeCat does not care about consensus; they only care about pushing their preferred changes for which there is some support, despite there also being some opposition. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
There is nothing wrong with tidying up formatting while also editing content. Mulder1982 is not botting, so he does not have to ask for consensus for every edit he makes. --WikiTiki89 13:56, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Sure, but I can revert to status quo ante absent consensus. There exist much more effective ways of making collective decisions, and executing them in the mainspace. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:51, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Removing Transliteration Parameters From Old Church Slavonic Translations[edit]

In two entries, so far, your removal of the transliteration parameter has resulted in a module error. Apparently there are characters in the terms that the transliteration module can't deal with. I'm not sure if it's something wrong with the translations, something wrong with the module, or just use of automatic transliteration for a legitimate script that isn't covered by the module, but you shouldn't have saved your edit with a module error in it. If you run into a module error like this and you can't correct the problem yourself. you should leave that part of the edit out and bring the problem to the attention of someone who might know how to fix it, perhaps at the Grease pit. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I figured out the problem: they had sc=Cyrl instead of sc=Cyrs, which led the module to consider them the wrong script. My general comments above still apply, though. Chuck Entz (talk) 19:32, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, I have always replaced Cyrl with Cyrs when I've seen it but I guess I missed those module errors. My bad. In any case, shouldn't we try to strive for automatic transliterations as much as possible? (look I know that this won't be possible for certain scripts but for most alphabets and abugidas but also those abjads with mandatory marking of vowels (like Arabic Uyghur) this should be possible) Mulder1982 (talk) 22:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Removing unnecessary transliterations is fine- the only thing you did wrong was not checking for errors before you saved, or at least before you left the page. It's very easy to go on autopilot when you're doing the same kind of edits on multiple pages, and to forget to check things- but checking the results should be part of the routine. The main reason I brought it to your attention, though, was that I thought I saw a pattern emerging and wanted to head it off before it was repeated. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:25, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Here's a tip: remove the sc= parameter entirely. For most languages, it is no longer necessary, due to automatic script detection. --WikiTiki89 23:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
This (diff) is getting ridiculous. What's the point of changing a literal to a template if you do it wrong? If there's only a transliteration, putting it in {{l}} is guaranteed to cause a module error, and using "ocs" as a language code just shows you're not paying attention. Changing literals to templates and removing redundant transliterations has rather minimal practical benefits, but causing module errors renders the term unreadable and clutters up the maintenance category. Pretty soon I'm going to stop cleaning up after you and start reverting edits that cause module errors. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Position of lang= parameter in Template:term[edit]

Please make sure you take into account the variable position of the lang= parameter in {{term}} so that {{term|lang=la|Gothus}} gets properly converted to {{m|la|Gothus}} rather than {{m|la|lang=la}}. --WikiTiki89 16:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Your continuing replacement of term[edit]

The current vote Wiktionary:Votes#Migrating_from_Template:term_to_Template:m does not suggest consensus for diffs like diff. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Until the vote is closed, it means nothing. The status quo, is that editors can use and replace any templates they want, as long as it conforms to the proper entry layout, and as long as a bot is not involved. --WikiTiki89 19:49, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
There's no consensus for it, but no consensus against it either! Renard Migrant (talk) 19:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
That's ridiculous. Editors cannot freely replace widespread markup with rare markup unless there is consensus for it. This is based on an elementary requirement of stability. Since I can start to revert, which I have avoided so far. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Umm... If that were the case, no one would ever be able to test out new templates without asking first. That would greatly impede productivity. --WikiTiki89 20:03, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
New templates can be tested in userspace. Furthermore, it is one thing to add templates as part of one's lexicographical work, it is another thing to start systematically replacing elements of other people's work. The latter is often done by people whose substantive lexicographical contribution is rather unimpressive. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I see nothing in that vote, even if it were to fail rather than end with no consensus, that would prohibit Mulder1982 from making these edits. After all, the vote is about whether we want to do a complete, large-scale replacement of {{term}} with {{m}}. It says nothing about editing individual entries. —CodeCat 20:07, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
You yourself said that having fewer templates in the mainspace helps new editors. Placing more occurrences of the much less common template harms that goal. Intentionally creating a mixture of templates in mainspace is borderline vandalism by my lights. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:08, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Votic[edit]

Hi, I noticed you've been adding Votic inflections so I wonder where you are finding them? I haven't found anything online about Votic so far. —CodeCat 02:39, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

  • In this book: Чернявский, В.: Vaďďa tšeeli (Izeõpõttaja) / Водский язык (Самоучитель), PDF. You can download it for free online. Mulder1982 (talk) 02:41, 22 November 2014 (UTC)