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grurë

Hi there, I noticed you reverted my edit on grurë. As a natural Albanian speaker I can confirm that the meaning of this word is indeed 'wheat' 'Triticum' Etimo (talk) 10:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Removing the rfv tag doesn't stop the rfv, it just removes the link to the discussion. I'm not debating whether it's valid or not, I have no idea, naturally. Renard Migrant (talk) 10:18, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your answer correctly..why do you still need a rfv discussion if the meaning of this word is already confirmed by the dictionary? Etimo (talk) 11:54, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

It's not my answer you don't understand, you seem not to know (by your own admission) what an rfv is. Anyway it's bad form to remove an rfv notice while the debate is still going on. You should not do it... move to close the rfv first, and when it is closed, remove the notice. I think in this instance the tagger isn't doubting the existence of the word so much as the accuracy of the meaning. I can't speak for him (DCDuring) of course. Renard Migrant (talk) 12:17, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I think I know what a request for verification is, feel free to fill my knowledge gaps any time you want though (I still have much to learn about Wiki rules). What I wanted to ask is, why the rfv discussion considering that the meaning of this word is quite straightforward? Because I checked the talk going on about the topic, and looks like there is some unnecessary confusion about it. The dictionary already gives a (correct) definition for this word, so why the need for a talk? Hope I made myself clear Etimo (talk) 12:46, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

IPA for English

Re: pecker. I know the correct "pure" IPA is the inverted r but thought the standard with English entries was to simply have it understood when using /r/. Is this something you just noticed? or are systematically correcting? — LlywelynII 12:06, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

You are correct to say it 'was' /r/ because it's now /ɹ/ and has been for awhile. There's a vote on it. The vote is ambiguously written which annoys me, but everyone agrees it's supposed to mean 'always use ɹ for English and never use r'. Perhaps if you Google search this wiki you can find the vote. If not please tell me and I can find it. Renard Migrant (talk) 12:25, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

For the record, the vote was Wiktionary:Votes/2008-01/IPA for English r, and until now I only knew of one person who found its wording ambiguous — Mglovesfun. If I note that English has two r phonemes, does that make it any easier to see why the vote was worded the way it was? It was worded to apply to "the r phoneme in words like red, green and orange" (the phoneme that had sometimes been /r/, but which the vote made uniformly /ɹ/), but not to apply to the r of words like sir and her, which is technically / ˞ / (as in /hɝ/), though many entries don't distinguish that phoneme from the other r phoneme (and hence represent it too as /ɹ/). (If you're bored, see this discussion.) - -sche (discuss) 04:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Etymology of abstenir

According to [1], it comes from the Old French word astenir. --kc_kennylau (talk) 06:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Well Old French astenir and abstenir aren't different words, they're variants of the same word. Wouldn't it seem more likely that Middle French and French abstenir come from abstenir not astenir? Abstenir was the more common variant in late Old French and has simply continued to exist. Renard Migrant (talk) 09:57, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

http://www.cnrtl.fr/etymologie/abstenir sums it up pretty well, you'll notice that later on abs- forms replace the as- forms, and this happens before the end of the Old French period. http://micmap.org/dicfro/search/dictionnaire-godefroy/astenir on the other hand gives a 1528 citation for astenir (astens), so it seems it did continue to exist into Middle French. Renard Migrant (talk) 10:14, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

my background

I am a Ph.D. student in linguistics, although not historical linguistics. My knowledge of Old French is largely self-taught but I have a pretty good understanding of Romance linguistics as a whole; e.g. I wrote most of the current article on Romance languages in Wikipedia. Benwing (talk) 04:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

{{fro-conj-er}} and friends can omit stem

You can now leave out the stem from {{fro-conj-er}}, {{fro-conj-ier}}, {{fro-conj-er-e}} and {{fro-conj-ier-e}} and it will fill it in from the infinitive. Can't yet do this for {{fro-conj-cier}} or other of the more-specific templates, nor for the templates requiring two stems to be specified.

Benwing (talk) 15:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Exp

I have an experience working on wikipedia (Bosnian and Serbo-Croatian). A question: Why is it Bosnian forbidden here? --Munjanes (talk) 03:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

It's been decided that the difference between Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is political or religious, but not linguistic. Since they're all the same language (from a linguistic point of view) we treat them as a single language. One interesting question is if a Croatian speaker converts to Islam, does he or she instantly become a Bosnian speaker? Renard Migrant (talk) 14:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

bouterés

You did not create this word. Mglovesfun did. He is well-known for spewing Old French errors all over Wiktionary.

Please do quote a source for this word. I know your opinion about my deleting words but in the process you are perpetuating errors. Benwing (talk) 10:22, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I am Mglovesfun (I retired that user name because I was getting too much harassment). They are not errors so much as I'm using a different system to you. I enter the most citable term where you enter the normalized form. Normalized forms are not wrong. Not usually anyway, sometimes they are. Like http://micmap.org/dicfro/search/dictionnaire-godefroy/ often has normalized forms that don't appear in any of the citations, so I use the most citable form. Bouterés is in the Godefroy anyway http://micmap.org/dicfro/search/dictionnaire-godefroy/bouteret, under the 1360 citation. That would fall under Middle French... that's because we changed the cutoff date from 1400 to 1340 to be aligned with the French Wiktionary's dates. So the entry was correct at the point of entry.

By 'spurious' what you actually mean is you're too lazy to check so you're going to apply the rules blindly. At least have the guts to admit it. Renard Migrant (talk) 10:26, 20 August 2014 (UTC)