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Category:English words suffixed with -ment[edit]

I'm sure there must be a use for this category, but it seems to have quite a few French words in it! SemperBlotto 18:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Good catch. I've asked Robert Ullmann to add a rule for that to AutoFormat ([[User talk:AutoFormat#{{prefix|lang=…}} and {{suffix|lang=…}}]]). —RuakhTALK 19:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan, I was thinking about doing something similar myself - but if he will, then I won't bother. Conrad.Irwin 19:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

en-verb -template[edit]

I don't know if you are the right person to complain to, but you are in any case the last person who edited en-verb -template. I don't think it works properly right now. There should be links to chosen verb forms, but they are shown in double box brackets instead, at least on my screen. --Hekaheka 12:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It was broken by someone trying to categorize the subtemplates that it needs to work. Now fixed. Conrad.Irwin 13:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Accelerated thingy.[edit]

Hi Conrad,

I've been using the accelerated thingy for a few days now, and I just wanted you to know that it still makes me happy. :-)

RuakhTALK 02:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Glad to hear. If you notice any other forms that need green links, I'll add support for them. Conrad.Irwin 09:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I added support for {{nl-noun2}}, but I am not totally satisfied. Two points:

  • It includes the gender after plurals. This does not make sense in Dutch so should not be.
  • I’d like it to include a dummy ===Pronunciation=== section too, preferable with a line starting with * {{IPA|//|lang=}} below it.

How to/can you do that? Oh, and of course you’d want the same for {{nl-noun}} H. (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the genders from the plural forms, but not the diminutive - is that correct? I've not added the Pronunciation section, because I'm not sure if everyone using it would want that, but if it would help the majority of nl-noun users then I can add it (or try and work out a nice way of adding it for only you). Conrad.Irwin 00:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Since the pronunciation section is supposed to scome before the part of speech section, it would be incorrect to include pronunciation as part of this inflection template. Section headers should never be part of any template. --EncycloPetey 00:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I believe Hamaryn's would like the new entry to contain a blank pronunciation template, so there would be no need to add the pronunciation to the inflection line. Or am I misunderstanding your objection? Conrad.Irwin 00:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
But this isn't a subst'd template, and it's used for the inflection line. He doesn't mention any "new entry", only the templates. The templates should not contain the second bulleted item listed in his request. --EncycloPetey 00:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I assumed he was refering to entries created as described at User talk:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js (as the topic is creation). The first item is asking that genders be removed from the new plural entries, the second that an empty pronunciation section be added. The fact that it uses some data stored in the inflection templates is possibly confusing. They are currently created using the meta-template at user:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js/basicNoun, which is an enhanced subst: with javascript. Certainly adding pronunciation to the infl template would be nonsense. Conrad.Irwin 00:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Edittools and MediaWiki:Monobook.js[edit]

Hi Conrad,

I was wondering if you'd be willing to look over my recent changes to [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]] and make sure everything is kosher and done how it should be? (I tested it in FF3, IE7, and Chrome on WinXP Pro, but I don't have any older browsers available.)

Thanks in advance!
RuakhTALK 15:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks good to me, can also confirm it works in FF2/3 under Linux, Opera 9, Konqueror 3.5 (but my IE6 seems to have kicked the bucket) [Assuming that my User:Conrad.Irwin/edittools.js isn't overriding what you're doing :)]. Conrad.Irwin 02:16, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Combining "templates"[edit]

Hello again. Quick question, since you seem to know what you're doing. When using the "templates" (are they called that? the things like {{this}}, when should they be combined and when not? For example, is {{slang|transitive|computing}} good, or should transitive etc. stand alone? Equinox 21:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC

I'd seperate {{transitive}} from {{slang|computing}} because it is grammatical information as opposed to contextual clarification - I don't know if there is a formal policy though. Conrad.Irwin 01:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


I see that you were the last one to delete the Userbox Template. Can we at least do "Language" based boxes? I would like "Subject" boxes..I tend to try to be involved in the "Tennis" realm...but would like some history on the subject. -- IrishDragon 20:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

See [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2007-08/Babel userboxes]]. If "'Language' based boxes" means what I think, then yes, those are fine: see {{Babel}}. —RuakhTALK 14:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Categories cont'd[edit]

Hi, Thanks for your help. Could you show me how to do that? --BodegasAmbite 15:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Class name for all script templates[edit]

I'm soliciting suggestions at WT:GP#Class name for all script templatesMichael Z. 2008-11-27 23:04 z

Accelerated plurals[edit]

Hi, thanks for your help. For the moment I'm so tired that I'm not able to learn anything. I will try it on the first occasion. --Chapultepec 03:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Are brand names proper nouns?[edit]

Hey, I saw you've been editing iMac etc. are these words actually proper nouns? I would have thought not because you have to use an article or quantifier with them. "I played chess against Deep Blue" vs. "I'm playing chess on an iMac". Conrad.Irwin 10:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I would have thought brand names are proper nouns. Aside from that, some of them already had "proper noun" headers, and were using the "en-noun" template... 10:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I can feel confident that they are proper nouns... if you look at it from a business perspective: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] 10:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
If the brand new applies only to a company or to a single product line, then they could be propoer nouns. However, most brand names are applied to the product in everyday English, rather than to an abstract concept of product line, and so grammatically are common nouns. While companies sometimes try to deny this, other times they embrace it (such as in the "I'm a Mac...and I'm a PC" commercials). --EncycloPetey 17:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Meta description[edit]

Hi, I just caught up on the status of the MetaKeywords extension. It looks like Brion's main objection to enabling the extension for meta descriptions is that “this would require sensible and appropriate descriptions to be created for each page.”

Is it possible to make it echo a #description directive from a page, falling back to the namespace or project message? This might satisfy Brion's concerns. Still better would be to programmatically assemble a message from the page contents, but this sounds like a very big project. Michael Z. 2008-12-06 17:05 z

At the moment all the extension does (see User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/MetaKeywords.php) is to allow namespace-wide declaration of meta-description tags. (The keywords is less important, but as I saved the file with that name, it's kind of stuck). While it is possible to implement per-page tags, it can't be done in a particularly nice way thanks to the way the caching works. I had thought of writing an extension to put the first definition of each page into the description, this wouldn't be much more difficult than per-page tags - however I've kind of lost enthusiasm. If you think it would be useful, and there would be a chance of it being used, then I can implement it. <semi-rant>What really frustrates me with the whole issue is the way people see "meta keywords" and think "SEO spam". This is not about trying to get a better position on google, it is about actually "appearing" on google - there is no point in building a dictionary if no-one can use it. Conrad.Irwin 00:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't exactly impressed by the way Brion wrote off installing the extension on Wiktionary either.
I'm a firm believer that designing the best page for the reader tends to converge with the best page for the search engines, and the best way to get rank is simply to make the best possible dictionary. Another issue is usability, which comes to play before a reader even gets to the site. The only way we can control our results' appearance in search results is through the title and meta description elements.
I won't ask you to do any work you're not interested in. I know a bit of PHP, but I'm not familiar with all of Wikimedia's hooks, so one day I may ask you for some advice if I decide to figure it out. Perhaps we can use it as the basis for an extension with a different name. Michael Z. 2008-12-07 01:16 z

Misspelling cleanup[edit]

If I even put the {{plural of}} template on the page, the entry is put into [[Category:English plurals]]. The same goes with the inflection line templates: if a category exists, the infl template puts it in there. The purpose of this cleanup, specifically, is to categorize misspellings only as misspellings, unless they have additional meanings (like referer, calender, and magniferous, which are both words and misspellings). Hope that clears it up. Teh Rote 02:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


I replied to that e-mail you sent me so you might want to read what it says. ;-) 50 Xylophone Players talk 11:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Beer parlour‎#Dates etc[edit]

Also, User talk:Visviva#Citations buttons on crack. I realize you don't have as much for wikt as you once did, but I figure I'd throw it by you anyway. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 20:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Interwiki bot[edit]

Hi! I saw the code and I wanted to try it, but I didn't know how to use it..Your help in this way would be extremely grateful! I'm aware that the normal is really slow. I read this page sv:Användare:Conrad.Bot but if you can give me more detailed informations it would be better. Thanks a lot. The timing of your message in my talk is perfect. I wait for news --Diuturno 12:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The bot started his work and It's going really fine. But I think the work will last for more than one day. If I need, how can I stop (crtl+C) his job, and resume from the point he reached last time? The parameter "-continue" of works also for interwicket? --Diuturno 15:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
It is designed to run all the way through. But if you do stop it, you can re-start it with -start:(word) to restart at that point. It doesn't remember the restart point by itself. ("(word)" has to be in your console character set; is easiest to stick to a-z; it is possible to put a unicode value in the code itself temporarily. yes, I need to add -ustart:(code) or something.) Robert Ullmann 15:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. For your information, he is using a slightly modified version from We should really get it put into pywikipedia I suppose. Conrad.Irwin 16:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
the command -start:(word) works fine. Thank you. --Diuturno 11:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Object error[edit]

I am getting an object error every time I go to a page that has a red link plural. My preferences are still set to do the accelerated noun forms, but the green color is back to red. --Panda10 02:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd used a function without checking if it existed in all browsers. Should now be fixed if you clear your cache (ctrl+shift+F5). Conrad.Irwin 10:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
It works in Firefox, but IE7 still generates the pop-up error. --Panda10 12:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I get a green link in Opera, Safari for Windows, Konqueror, Firefox 3 and IE7, and (every other page load) IE6 for linux. Can you give me the page it fails on? Also try // purging the javascript page. Conrad.Irwin 14:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
It's working now. I cleared the cache. Sorry about it. Please don't be angry. --Panda10 23:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Nah, I won't be - just a bit confused :). Conrad.Irwin 23:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hungarian index refresh[edit]

When you have a chance, would you refresh the Hungarian index? Thanks. --Panda10 23:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for updating it. FYI: The very first page Index:Hungarian still shows an Oct. 17 date and a lower word count. --Panda10 12:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:the power of Christ compels you[edit]

It was an attempt to provide references as the page itself was deleted before they could be provided.

Another one: "The power of Christ compels you to freeze, dirtbag" - Two nuns in the Netherlands tried -- and sadly, failed -- to catch a guy who'd been stealing money from their chapel. The chase would've been great to see, though -- both women were in full habit and on bicycle.[6]

Ok, restored now - I just saw the title and the quote going "Aaah! Aaaah! Aaah" and jumped to the wrong conclusion. Sorry. Conrad.Irwin 01:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Still doesn't meet CFI. This is a quotation, and belongs on WikiQuote, not here. I could probably find many, many allusions to Romeo & Juliet using "A rose by any other name...", but that doesn't mean it's a dictionary entry. Allusion to a famous quotation is not cause for a dictionary entry. --EncycloPetey 02:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


Someone pointed out on Requested Entries that he can't add sniggerer (one who sniggers) because of a block on nigger anywhere in a page title. This is annoying, because it's perfectly attestable. As an administrator, would you be able to add it and its plural? Equinox 19:22, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I can add it, the problem was with the Titleblacklist on meta which had been badly edited - so it's now unprotected again. Conrad.Irwin 00:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Template renames[edit]

Here is the previously discussed list of templates that have been renamed:

  • Template:ga noun m1 > Template:ga-noun-m1
  • Template:ga noun m1 nopl > Template:ga-noun-m1-nopl
  • Template:ga noun f2 > Template:ga-noun-f2
  • Template:ga noun f2 nopl > Template:ga-noun-f2-nopl
  • Template:ga noun m2 > Template:ga-noun-m2
  • Template:ga noun m3 > Template:ga-noun-m3
  • Template:ga noun f3 > Template:ga-noun-f3
  • Template:ga noun f3 nopl > Template:ga-noun-f3-nopl
  • Template:ga noun m3 nopl > Template:ga-noun-m3-nopl
  • Template:ga noun m4 > Template:ga-noun-m4
  • Template:ga noun f4 > Template:ga-noun-f4
  • Template:ga noun m4 nopl > Template:ga-noun-m4-nopl
  • Template:ga noun f4 nopl > Template:ga-noun-f4-nopl
  • Template:ga noun f5 > Template:ga-noun-f5
  • Template:ga noun m irreg nopl > Template:ga-noun-m-irreg-nopl
  • Template:ga noun f irreg > Template:ga-noun-f-irreg
  • Template:ga noun m irreg > Template:ga-noun-m-irreg
  • Template:ga-verb-conj irreg > Template:ga-verb-conj-irreg
  • Template:ga-verb-conj 1b > Template:ga-verb-conj-1b
  • Template:ga-verb-conj 2 > Template:ga-verb-conj-2
  • Template:ga-verb-conj 1a > Template:ga-verb-conj-1a

Thank you muchly. —Leftmostcat 01:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Those are all done now. Conrad.Irwin 02:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Spanish index[edit]

Would you be willing to update the Spanish index, the way you did for Galician and Hungarian? Nadando 21:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll give it a go. Conrad.Irwin 14:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
That's great- thanks. Nadando 03:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


May I ask why you overlooked my vote cast here? From the timeline it is evident that the reason cannot be the time, since it is not the last one. Bogorm 10:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Embarrassingly enough, I can't count :s. I've updated the conclusion to include you. Sorry. Conrad.Irwin 10:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Never mind, when it turned out to be inadvertent. Bogorm 10:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, it was late; the vote ended on the 24th, the other vote on the 27th was also late. OTOH, it should never have been set to end on the 24th. I think we should point out in the instructions for setting up votes that when the end-of-year holidays arrive, votes should run longer to not count the week+ 23rd Dec to Jan 2 ... in this case, by all means include all. Robert Ullmann 11:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


Events start off in the future, then they happen in the present, before being relegated to the past - is I think how that definition should be read. Conrad.Irwin 10:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Right. Which is why they pass from the future to the past, not the other way around. DAVilla 10:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I just assumed the "ip" would be wrong - I realise now my mistake :). Conrad.Irwin 10:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! By thinking before blocking, you have passed the TEST OF TIME.
/me passes the gauntlet unto thee. 10:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
But the past happens first, then the present, then the future. Yesterday happened before today, and tomorrow is yet to come. The arrow of time goes from past to future. If you think about it like driving in a car, and think that the tree up ahead happened first, then you reach it second, and then pass it third, this is an illusion. What happens is that you passed the tree that is behind you first, then you came to your current position second, and then you will reach the tree up ahead later and third. The past precedes the present, the present precedes the future. —Stephen 11:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
When we are in the past of an event (before it happens) it is classified (by us observing) as being in the future, in the present of an event (as it is happening) it is classified (by us observing) as being in the present, In the future of an event (after it happens) it is classified (by us observing) as being in the past. So while we move from the past to the future, an event fixed in time will first appear (to us) in our future (out of the front window), then our present (the side) and finally in our past (the rear-view mirror). ((As a side-note, the reason trolls on the Discworld think we must be going backwards through time is because we can't see out of the front-window to look forward, we can only look behind our direction of motion and into the past - like reversing into the future with no mirrors)). Conrad.Irwin 12:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi, Conrad, I just wanted to verify that you notified a bureaucrat of the vote results for Vahagn Petrosyan after you tallied the admin votes. Usually there is some sign of this having been done but this time I don’t see anything about it. —Stephen 21:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Why are only admin votes to be counted? In French Wikipedia any editor with more than 50 contributions in the main space is reckoned, in the German any with more than several hundreds. How is the consuetude here? Bogorm 21:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
No, we don’t count only the votes by admins, we also count those of registered non-admins who have made a few reasonable edits. When I said "admin votes", I meant the vote on Vahagn’s nomination to admin. —Stephen 21:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I've never notified a 'crat - just assumed that one of them will be watching. I suppose I could go prod one. Conrad.Irwin 13:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Accelerated Catalan[edit]

I've accelerated {{ca-noun}}, but I don't know how to make a tweak I need in the inflection line. Instead of : '''foobars''' {{g}} , I'd like the inflection line to be : {{ca-noun-form|g}}. I assume that ought to be simple to do, but I could be wrong. --EncycloPetey 06:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Hehe... I'd assumed there wouldn't be quite so much variation in the formatting of form-ofs, so the architecture is a little bit clumsy for this. I'll add it as "yet another" alternative template tomorrow - but it really would be nice if we had a universal standard for these... ah well. Conrad.Irwin 00:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Done, finally. I hope. Let me know if you need something else. Conrad.Irwin 01:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi. I think this UK political noun sense is what we already have as an adjective, i.e. a district that's only barely dominated by one party. ("The scale of Lord Ashcroft's role in the direct funding of Conservative candidates in key general election marginals was revealed today ... The former Conservative treasurer donated more than £280,000 straight to candidates in 33 marginal constituencies between January and March this year ...") Bearing that in mind, whether it needs a separate noun sense is dubious; it seems a bit like having "reds" for a number of red paints. Equinox 00:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, it goes back to english being able to use any adjective as a noun I suppose :s. Thanks for looking into it, now what to do about it... Conrad.Irwin 00:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, after five minutes' thought, if a national newspaper is happy to say marginals, then we should be, too. Stick it in as a noun ("a politically marginal district" or something) and then we can define the plural the usual way. Equinox 00:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


I've found a couple of things during working with the Hungarian index. Could you please take a look:

  • Jenő has two asterisk - one is correctly pointing to Eugene, the other is pointing to a Greek entry where this word is in the descendants section. I'm not sure if descendants should be included. The asterisks should always point to an Eglish entry.
  • gyártani - this is an infinitive form and it has the {infinitive of} template in the definition line. Other similar entries are not included in the index.

Ideas for future enhancements:

  • Could you include other red-link entries in the index that are listed in Hungarian pages in the Synonyms, Derived terms, Etymology, etc. sections?
  • I am still wondering how we could somehow connect entries back to the index, so the user can go back to the appropriate index page with one click. Is there an easy way? I remember bringing this up before but others did not like the idea. This would help the user find the index easier. I think currently the index is buried, it's hard to find. The linking system in Wiktionary is a great advantage over other online dictionaries and we should strengthen the features that make us different.
  • A similar idea but not the same: In each entry, could we display two small arrows labelled previous and next (or not labelled, just showing alt text), clicking the arrows would take the user to the prev/next entry based on the index. With this, users could navigate trough the entire index without actually going back to the index. This should not be a large box like the ordinalbox, but a relatively inconspicuous symbol.
Thanks. --Panda10 02:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi. In [7] you reverted back to use basicNoun for the danish nouns. I really would prefer to use inflNoun, is there any reason not to do so? – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 14:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, my fault. I made that edit in the wiki directly and didn't update my local copy so it got overwritten, now should be fixed again. Conrad.Irwin 19:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
That's great. Thanks. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 19:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Paradisaeidae#See also[edit]

A while back, you changed {{projectlink|pedia}} to a listier format, but it looks like you never changed the rest of Special:PrefixIndex/Template:PL:. Was that intentional? (I ask because of [[Paradisaeidae#See also]], which looks kind of weird to me.) —RuakhTALK 01:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

The other templates weren't common enough to iritate me to the same extent :). So, no, not intentional. The wording is probably be more complicated for the other templates, as people will not necessarily know what commons is (though I'm sure they will have heard of wikipedia). If I get a sudden inspiration for nice wording, I'll fix them to, feel free to pre-empt. Conrad.Irwin 01:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Index:Ancient Greek/α[edit]

I'm a little confused as to why the bot appears to be pulling translations from English entries and placing them in the Ancient Greek index. Is that intentional? If so, I think it a great idea, but I think that there should be a separate translation index/indeces. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

It's just a feature that User:Panda10 requested for Hungarian, so I turned it on everywhere. Perhaps it would be better to create a request list? (same with all the redlinks that were there from before :p) Conrad.Irwin 00:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm.....well it kind of seems like we should be keeping this as uniform as possible. Perhaps I'll ask Panda10 what his thoughts are on separating the two. Then again, you are well positioned as the ideal scapegoat, seeing as you are the one who is actually writing all this stuff (or rather writing the program which is writing it). It would be easier for me to just yell at you. Then, when you cave, Panda10 can yell at you for removing his translation inclusions.....;-). Additionally, Visviva's statements on some thread somewhere convinced me that the redlinks should probably be removed from the indices, so feel free to kill 'em whenever you get around to it. Has anyone told you how much all this work is appreciated? Well, it is. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I can do it on a per-language basis, so if you want them gone; they are gone for you (the other solution would be to create the red-link entries ;). Conrad.Irwin 00:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, Atelaes invited me to drop by. I am flexible about the features, although I love them all and would terribly miss them. The index wasn't always what it's today. It's been a developing concept, first a list to see how many words are there, then to see how many audio files. Now it's an excellent troubleshooting tool, I've found so many mistranslations, incorrect entries. The red links give me some directions as to which words to add, the asterisks point me to the English words where the Hungarian word was entered as translation. If a blue link does not have a part of speech next to it, I know the Hungarian section is missing on a multi-language page. The latest development is trying to link back the entries to the index, and this may require a separation of the maintenance function from the index function. I am open to create two index lists, but I hate to see Conrad's workload increasing. If I can be of any help in this, please let me know. Atelaes, what's the reason you don't like the asterisk feature? --Panda10 02:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
You know, as I think about it, it's probably not a bad way to do things. I'll work with it awhile and let it marinate in my mind. I apologize for bugging you both. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 03:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for reminding me to include the "English" heading and the comment on the espresso/coffee template. I'll give it some thought. Wakablogger 01:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


Are you the same Conrad.Irwin as here? I know this is a bit irregular, but I couldn't find a way to reply directly to that bug...

Anyway, if you happen to be the same guy: I had the same complaint a year or two ago. Basically I got the same "wontfix" response. The problem is that a correct fix to this problem would have to do a name lookup on *every* one-word keyword search (legitimate host names are not restricted to "localhost" of course ;-), and they deemed the overhead just to high. As a workaround, if I want to go to host foo, I now ":open foo/", and a quick test shows that ":open localhost/" does what you seem to be asking for.

Hope that helps,


Yes, I am. "localhost/" doesn't work for me :(, [once I unapply the patch that fixes localhost] using the latest git version (maybe it used to work in a release?). I can use ":o localhost:80" or ":o http://localhost", but both are noticeably less convenient than ":o localhost". Ah well, let's just hope they "see the light". I can't see that they can argue for not doing the right thing based on inconsistency, the whole philosophy of vim is to do the right thing despite possible inconsistencies, image how annoying it would be to have to escape |s in !commands. Conrad.Irwin 13:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


Assuming that all that was there was vandalism/garbage, thank'ee for nuking my talk page. -Jéské (v^_^v Cont) 21:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Iwiki sort order[edit]

I seem to remember some discussion of sv.wikt using a different sort order? (that is not in the "framework"). I would need a copy of that, as Interwicket here is now adding links on other wikts. Robert Ullmann 10:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

sv:User_talk:Conrad.Irwin#Dodde order. But I don't think the other iwiki bots use it, so maybe there is little point. Conrad.Irwin 19:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Accelerating Turkish nouns[edit]

Can we accelerate {{tr-noun}}? There are two noun forms on the infletion line. Turkish is a language where there is more than one plural form. See kerpeten and its forms, which I have edited. --EncycloPetey 16:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Done, finally. [the accusative is not a plural?] Conrad.Irwin 01:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
No, it's a singular. --EncycloPetey 07:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


Did you get my e-mail of 2 February? I ask because you forwarded that other one naming the same date and didn't mention it, and I always expect freebie providers to put stuff in the junk folder aggressively :) Equinox 22:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

No. I got one from you on the 31st January, but that's the only one (from you). [Doesn't seem to be in Spam either]. Conrad.Irwin 00:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I sent it to (replacing those letters with your name — I write it thus to avoid spambots picking it up). Erm, I don't know why it would have been eaten, then. I'll try re-sending it through Wiktionary's mail function. Afterthought: I do send from an address of the form a+b@c.d, and I know the + is sometimes regarded as the mark of a spammer; could that have triggered a blacklist? I can usually send to GMail okay. Equinox 01:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)



You reverted a change I made to Ogg. It refers to a file format that does lossy compression. The term actually comes from the protologism that you reverted out of the definition. The format was named for how the algorithm works, by doing a "quick attack" on the data and not being too worried about the consequences. This is why I thought that the definition should include this original meaning of the word. I doubt that it has ever been printed widely, because the term comes from a relatively obscure video game. It's kindof a shame that this meaning could be lost, but I understand the reason for having the criteria for inclusion.

Thank you.

Accelerated Scots?[edit]

I bet adding support for sco-noun and friends would be easy. They're presumably the same as the English templates. Equinox 14:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Latin Accelerated support, Dutch nouns accelerated support[edit]

Hi there Conrad.Irwin. Could you please add Latin words to the accelerated request page please? Could you also check the Dutch and Danish nouns for accelerated javascript because it doesn't work for a good portion of those. Great work, too, by the way, for this wonderful script! Cheers, Razorflame 05:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Unprotect Robert Ullmann's user page, please.[edit]

It has been protected long enough. Oneunderall 18:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Conrad: FYI: this is a known vandal. For everyone else who might be reading this; there is utterly no reason for anyone to be editing my (or anyone else's) user page, except to fix problems that would be addressed by an admin anyway. Robert Ullmann 00:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I know of him. I had assumed he'd been dealt with (and had no intention of responding). Conrad.Irwin 00:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleted entry Hoocoodanode[edit]

You deleted the entry I just added, right before I had even been able to add info to the discussion page. You allege that the word "seems to have been a protologism."

In fact, I had provided evidence of the "word being used in durably archived media". I provided said documentation in the comment summary, which seems now to have been deleted along with the entry. The word has been used in the New York Times, among others. The New York Times use was by Dr. Paul Krugman, a Nobel laureate. There are thousands of other Google hits. Please restore the page. N2e 22:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Read WT:CFI. Feel free to recreate the entry if you can cite it. Conrad.Irwin 22:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Mr. Irwin, I was in the process of doing exactly that--adding information to the other parts of entry, etc.--when you prematurely deleted the article, only moments after it had been created. The wind is out of my sails on this one. I am not a wordsmith, but have tried to improve Wiktionary from time to time, even being vociferously thanked for a couple of the few words I have ever added.
I infer that you meant well. But if "insiders" and regular Wiktionary wordsmiths like you cannot even give a new entry ten or fifteen minutes while an inexperienced editor adds in a new word and supports it in the various Wiktionary tabs, then you are implicitly making Wiktionary an "inside game." If your fellow Wiktionarians allow/facilitate/support that behavior of immediate deletion, then you will definitely have a smaller cadre of folks who will pay the price of adding new words, and especially of duplicating work just to satisfy a trigger-happy insider. N2e 00:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Could you recreate your entry with the citations? When a word looks even slightly suspect, this is the best idea anyway — to write the entire thing in advance and then submit it, rather than adding bits and pieces as you go — because that way, as long as your citations are sound, you avoid falling into the various verification and deletion-request pitfalls. Equinox 00:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, it would be at hoocoodanode, with correct capitalization. Secondly, it is a protologism, and probably does not meet CFI (yet, although, and unfortunately, looks likely to) It is clearly tosh. (;-) The way to deal with protologisms is to create Citations:hoocoodanode, and see if you can find the 3 independent citations spanning a year. (I only see 2, all the others are quotes and references to those two, but there can easily be another; the oldest I see is 18.4.08, not a year.) Even if you just want to put the citations in a new entry, start the entry with the citation. Otherwise it just looks like all the endless crap we delete all day long. Robert Ullmann 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Conrad: you couldn't have just restored it as requested and tagged it RfV? Asking someone to re-create work if they think it is valid is obnoxious. Why should they, when you can restore the text they worked on with a couple of clicks? Robert Ullmann 00:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm obviously getting grumpy in my old age. Sorry. I have added two independent uses to the citations page, though only one of them is archived. I did do a search that was thorough enough to convince me that this could not meet CFI before deleting it the first time. Conrad.Irwin 00:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment Conrad, and for the input of Robert Ullmann too (rfv for a few days is a bit better than a sub-5-minute deletion). I will do a bit more research now and see if I can find a definitive origin for the word, and citations to other uses beyond the NYT use, so that we can resolve the rfv.N2e 02:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I have added a third citation to the entry. See if you think it is adequately sourced now such that it may be appropriate to remove the rfv. N2e 04:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Cite 1 is a blog: not durably archived. Maybe eventually, but not yet cited. Also cites are supposed to span a year, as these do not. This entry is being treated as if anything by Krugman is a "well-known work". DCDuring TALK 08:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Your creation Javascript[edit]

Hi there Conrad.Irwin. The members of the Simple English Wikipedia want to try out your creation page Javascript over on the Simple English Wikipedia. Would you be kind enough to import your script over there (only the English parts) or would you be at all willing to port it over there? Please let me know either here on my talk page or on my talk page on the Simple English Wiktionary. Thanks, Razorflame 15:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

If I were to just copy over the javascript that you have written for here, but were to make my own user subpages with the required things, would it still work? Razorflame 15:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I've copied over the main javascript and created a few of my own subpages based on the way that you have yours set up, but formatted for the Simple English Wiktionary. How would I go about enabling it on the Simple English Wiktionary?
When, do you think, would you possibly be able to port it over? Please let me know when you are able to port it over. Thanks, Razorflame 19:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I thought you said your bot was to do English also, but I don't see it in its (recent) contributions list. Just wondering. Also, another question: Does it remove deleted entries, or only add created ones?—msh210 16:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

It was planning to - but I need to rewrite it to handle the fact that some of the letters are too long to fit on a page. (I'll get there eventually...) Conrad.Irwin 21:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
It rescans the entire dump each time, so deleted entries will be removed. Conrad.Irwin 21:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Now done. The total counts on each page make interesting reading. Conrad.Irwin 03:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
  • 415 0
  • 11856 a
  • 9195 b
  • 13731 c
  • 8288 d
  • 5766 e
  • 6230 f
  • 5504 g
  • 6584 h
  • 5563 i
  • 1508 j
  • 2025 k
  • 5108 l
  • 9251 m
  • 4932 n
  • 4178 o
  • 13079 p
  • 882 q
  • 6535 r
  • 15671 s
  • 8463 t
  • 4120 u
  • 2185 v
  • 3694 w
  • 349 x
  • 760 y
  • 754 z
  • 156626 total

A bug with creation.js on Simple Wiktionary[edit] When I tried to make the word for graphed using your creation.js javascript, it did that, and where it says past tense and participle of, it said graphgraphs in it, instead of just graph. Hope you can fix it :). Cheers, Razorflame 04:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, when I just created graphing, it created it perfectly, without any errors...maybe this was a one-time error? Cheers, Razorflame 04:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Possibly. If it happens again, let me know. Conrad.Irwin 21:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for implementing this. I ran into a problem with steals. The present participle form was not filled in and the noun was also ignored, though I added it.--Brett 13:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Now fixed. Conrad.Irwin 21:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Another possible bug found: Thanks for the help, Razorflame 22:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Did the same thing when I created drugged there: Razorflame 22:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
And did the same thing with drugging. Razorflame 22:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Yup, sorry. Now fixed. Conrad.Irwin 01:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Updating WT:STATS[edit]

Hi, Conrad. I've been told you have access to fresh database dumps. So, I was hoping you can update Wiktionary:Statistics. Can you? If it's a big deal, just ignore my request, no problem. --Vahagn Petrosyan 11:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, they're available to all and sundry at Connel normally does them, but I also have a script that gives similar statistics (though we both count in slightly different ways - yay for stats). I'll look into it this evening. Conrad.Irwin 16:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thx re Welcome[edit]

Thx re on-slip and off-slip too. Trafford09 01:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC) One qry though - why don't my four tildes give my talk page after my user name, please?

French plurals broken with creation.js[edit]

See [8] Equinox 02:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Can't replicate. [9]. Conrad.Irwin 13:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


for your help regarding the entry practical jokes. I guess I still have a bit of learning to do here :-) Best regards, Tempo di Valse ♪ 02:08, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

British Longhair[edit]

The books I have state there is no such thing as the British Longhair; however, the term is widely used to the point where it should be considered a word, see:

Google Results 1 - 100 of about 58,600 for "British Longhair". (0.38 seconds)

And some books I do not own use the word:

If you want to post an +AFD and build a consensus for deletion or keep, that would be fine with me. WritersCramp 13:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure that's fine, I was just curious as to why you re-created it. Conrad.Irwin 16:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)