User talk:Vahagn Petrosyan

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"Yacoubian"

I wanted to add the etymology to Template:Arab, but I dunno how this should be spelled... "Template:Armn" would be my thought. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 16:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC) Or maybe "Template:Armn"...may have answered my own question lol :) — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 16:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

There are people surnamed both (deprecated template usage) Յակուբյան (Yakubyan) and (deprecated template usage) Յաղուբյան (Yaġubyan). You are probably referring to w:The Yacoubian Building. According to this the building is named after a certain millionaire named (deprecated template usage) Հակոբ Յակուբյան (Hakob Yakubyan), so I'm changing your ety a bit. --Vahag 19:52, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I do know that movie (haven't watched it yet, but there's supposed to be an eeevil predatory homosexual in it, so of course I have to see it) but I was thinking of a character in a kid's movie, [w:Meet the Robinsons] named "Mike Yagoobian", which made me think of the Yacoubian Building, which led me to add the entry lol. I guess at some point they'll all have to be added. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 20:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually actually, while we're on the subject, are these spelled Ягубян and Якубян in Russian? — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 20:08, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Yep, Ягубян and Якубян. --Vahag 21:21, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:აჯაბსანდალი

Could you please check this? Thanks --Mglovesfun (talk) 14:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Jescho odin familija

(I'm lazy, that's why it's in Latinica.) So, I came across this paper about Persian morphology or some shit and the author's name is Megerdumian, which for an obvious reason has an Armenian flair to it. But the Megerdum part I'm too nervous to guess and be wrong. I hate being wrong. Anyway, what do you make of it? I think it *might* just be a Persian plural word that got made a surname or something. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 03:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Ещё одна фамилия. :) --Anatoli 12:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Balls, I'm always doing that >_< — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 12:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

It's the Western Armenian pronunciation of (deprecated template usage) Մկրտումյան (Mkrtumyan). All clever books are written by Armenians. --Vahag 20:27, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The book was short, but had some pretty nifty stuff. Armenians pretty much rock. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 06:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Numen

• http://books.google.com/books?id=Q21iAAAAMAAJ&q=numen+%22noumen%22&dq=numen+%22noumen%22&hl=en&ei=yVH3TcqqHMefOrn-0bYK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCDgU
• http://books.google.com/books?id=E5JEAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA47&dq=numen+%22noumen%22&hl=en&ei=SVL3Tcm7H8qUOoqu_bkK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwADge#v=onepage&q=numen%20%22noumen%22&f=false — This unsigned comment was added by 89.110.3.205 (talk).

One is from 1910, the other from 1794. These sources are not acceptable. No respectable dictionary says Latin (deprecated template usage) numen is from Greek. Please, stop spreading ignorance. --Vahag 12:43, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2011-05/Add en: to English topical categories, part 2

Since you voted on this topic before, I thought I would let you know there is another vote on the topic. —CodeCat 19:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:პილენძი

User thinks this isn't valid. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The user thinks everything that is not in his favorite modern Georgian dictionary isn't valid. We need a very knowledgeable Georgian expert to go through Category:ka:Armenian derivations and sort the words between Old/Middle/Modern/Modern-dialectal Georgian. --Vahag 12:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I left my 2 cents at that talk page. Cheers, Malafaya 00:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

And you think everything that is written in your favourite dictionary is corect. p.s. my f. dic. doesnt only include modern terms.Dixtosa 10:18, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

"you're a Wonderfool"

And you're evidently drunk. Hurrah! Equinox ◑ 22:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Alcohol is underrated. Says me, who's more or less given up in the last 8 weeks. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

No, I'm not. You keep reverting my useful contributions just because I'm black. You're racist. --Vahag 22:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

You're a (deprecated template usage) refujew. Equinox ◑ 22:59, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Not Jew, but see what Encyclopedia Americana says about Armenians :D "Like the Jews, whom in many respects they resemble, their ruling passion appears to be an inordinate love of gain, but they are generally esteemed honest". --Vahag 23:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

"The Armenians, or those of Turcomania, are Persons of a good Behaviour, and just in their Dealings; and some of them (addicted to Traffick) are dispers'd thro' most Parts of the trading World. But the People of Georgia are said to be extremely given to Thieving, Drunkenness, and all Sorts of other Vices. Those of the female Sex are generally reckoned the most beautiful Women of any in all the Oriental Countries..." Equinox ◑ 23:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I like how people in olden times were less politically correct... --Vahag 23:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm with you on that one. Does Armenia have any really good, clever gay jokes? If so, I want them. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 04:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

In Armenia, we don't have homosexuals like in your country. I don't know who told you we have this phenomenon. --Vahag 07:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

You don't need gays to have gay jokes! But you know what's funny, it's true I've never met a gay Armenian, and not for lack of trying. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 12:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• I like how one week of Wonderfoollessness leads to WF-accusations. Embrace him, already!--Angel drinks 01:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I personally love Wonderfool. I hope I can witness in real-time his next deletion of the main page. Trăiască Wonderfool. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 04:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

¶ Is it really too difficult to improve the security of these websites? This is getting pathetic. --Pilcrow 07:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Your face is getting pathetic. See how easy that is? lol. At any rate, do you know anything about Wonderfool? He does a lot of kickass work in order to gain the trust of our sheepies and gain the ability to bomb the main page. Then he does some silly shit that tends to be rather amusing and deletes the main page. It's honestly NOT that friggin difficult to reverse, and there have been times where he's added thousands of good entries before it, so really he's a much better editor than a lot of the cunts we still have floating around who compared to some of Wonderfool's past work are just useless. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 11:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Laurent, why do you hate me? --Pilcrow 19:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I pretty much hate everything, I'm a bitter queer. T_T — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 20:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove your childish emoticon as it is very insulting. I was asking a serious inquiry which you chose to ignore. --Pilcrow 21:07, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Didn't realize it was serious lol. I don't hate you. If we've ever had disagreements in the past where I was pointedly unfriendly to you, I don't remember. I'm a loose cannon. I don't keep a log of everyone I abuse. I hate very few people here, and they tend to all be leaving or dying, so. Yeah. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 22:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

¶ When I objected to your profanity, you rudely commanded that I “get the fuck over it”. I am willing to bet that if any non‐administrators said the exact same thing, they would get banned in an instant, but since an admin wrote it then it is perfectly acceptable. Right? --Pilcrow 22:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

What people do with their own user subpages is up to them. You also brought my religion into it, so I wasn't exactly prepared to go easy. I never said my behavior is acceptable to anyone else. I tend to not be concerned too much about that when I'm dealing with my own userpages. I put up lots of warnings about my character. My page, my talk page, random postings on other talk pages. I'm quite upfront about my belligerence and nerdrage. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 23:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Relax, opiobear, Pilcrow is Wonderfool. --Vahag 11:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Haha I've been on attack mode recently, and I just woke up. I'm out of control as usual :D Plz forgive me. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 12:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

"I pretty much hate everything" good point. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

They say honesty is the best policy. I do like some things, though. Just keep it on the down low. I have a reputation for being a brutish cunt. It must be maintained. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 20:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you are a brutish cunt. Sorry. --Daniel 21:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Quote of the week right there. --Mglovesfun (talk) 21:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I must not be working hard enough :( — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 22:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Audiorecordings

Hello, I would like to know, how do i upload or record audio recordings for word entries??? — This unsigned comment was added by Elperretebueno (talk • contribs).

Hi. First, you need to record the pronunciation using an external software. I recommend you use Audacity. See this for details. If the word is Georgian, name the recorded file ka-word.ogg; for example, the pronunciation file for შუბი must be named ka-შუბი.ogg. Then upload the file here. Finally, you must link to the file from Wiktionary like this. --Vahag 07:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Postpositions

Hi, i would like to know if postpositions' entries should appear as "-entry" or simply as "entry". example "-ათვის" vs "ათვის" ?

I don't know. You should ask User:Dixtosa, he is a native Georgian speaker. --Vahag 23:04, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Usage

Do you think anyone uses the Georgian pages or benefits from our work?

Probably, but I have no proof. --Vahag 06:16, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

note

¶ I hope you realise that you are only proving my assumption that it is acceptable for people to insult me. --Pilcrow 15:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Insults make the world go 'round. — [Ric Laurent] — 16:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

¶ I do not care. I did not join this website so I could get harassed by ‘superiors’ who could easily overpower me, but maintaining a formal or polite tone on a lexicographic project is apparently too demanding to accept. --Pilcrow 02:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

All I can say is... follow the rules and guidelines and you should be fine. If you do that and you're still getting bitched at, in my opinion you've the right to return fire. — [Ric Laurent] — 02:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Votes/2011-07/Categories of names

The vote Categories of names is going to end soon, after receiving contributions of only a few people. (it proposes a number of renamings, in this pattern: Category:en:Rivers to Category:English names of rivers)

It would benefit very much from your vote, even one of abstention.

I assume you would be interested in this subject, as I am sending this message to everyone who didn't vote yet, but participated in the discussion that introduced the vote, and/or in this poll, which received far more attention than the vote, and is closely related to the proposal in question.

Thank you. --Daniel 16:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

dva dela

1. կարեւոր needs someone who knows Armenian better than I do to love and nurture it. But I'm sure just giving it some attention will suffice. It needs to learn to grow up to be a big strong entry. (Disregard my lunacy, I've been awake like 5 minutes)
2. Would you hate me if I edited {{hy-adj}} so that the superlative was out of the brackets with a transliteration of it after? It'd end up looking like:

Template:Armn (karewor), superlative Template:Armn (amenakarewor)
— [Ric Laurent] — 12:29, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

It looks pretty, do it! --Vahag 18:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Haha cool, I'm glad you like it :) I added another parameter for the transliteration of {{{2}}}. I put it to use on karewor (sorry 'bout the v lol) but for now it'll be the only entry with that third parameter, so others will lack the second superlative's translit for now. — [Ric Laurent] — 19:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey dude, I've got another one for ya. How would you say this in Armenian? Wanna use it for an example sentence somewhere: The hummingbird is the only bird that can fly backwards. — [Ric Laurent] — 20:28, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Armn (Kolibrin miak tʿṙčʿunn ē, orə karoł ē depi et tʿṙčʿel.)

I think other birds too could fly backwards if they really wanted. They just haven't tried. --Vahag 13:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Other birds are too stupid to realize they have the option of flying in directions other than forward. Hummingbirds are the future. lolz — [Ric Laurent] — 13:27, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

сиамская кошка

Could you check this entry I cleaned up. Feel free to remove this message if/when you do so. Cheers. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Sure. --Vahag 14:30, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Feedback

Someone made a post here in Armenian. Could you please have a look at it and translate it if you can? Thank you! —CodeCat 10:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

It says "Good, Bad, Messy, Mistake in definition, Confusing, Could not find the word I want, Incomplete, Entry has inaccurate information, Definition is too complicated, If you have time, leave us a note."

Someone Google-translated the feedback options into Armenian. --Vahag 10:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Есть работёнка (просьба)

Привет, Вааг. Добавь, если нетрудно, пожалуйста, один вариант армянского перевода сюда - Appendix:X is a beautiful language. По-русски и других языках я написал "Русский язык очень красивый", без "очень" как-то звучит статично. Что ты думаешь по этому поводу? Если есть желание и время, не мог бы ты заполнить некоторые запросы по армянскому в Category:Translation_requests_(Armenian), меня интересуют только фразы, но все подряд, а типичные. Кто у нас есть живой из грузинского отдела? --Anatoli 22:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I did the first request myself, pls check: Հայերենը (Hayerenə) գեղեցիկ (geġecʻik) լեզու (lezu) է (ē)Template:Armn (hayerenə geġec’ik lezu e.) :) --Anatoli 10:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Привет! Твой перевод правильный. Насчёт русского, думаю что с "очень" звучит лучше. Из грузин полезен этот юзверь, хотя он думает, что вино придумали грузины. --Vahag 11:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Спасибо. Гмм, как-то перешел на английский, незаметно для себя. Грузинский перевод я тоже сделал, не будем мешать с вином. :) --Anatoli 19:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Fancy being a judge?

Hi VP.. So they didn't choose you to be the judge for America's Top Model. Nevermind, you can still live out your dream, and be one of the judges in the upcoming story-writing competition. Are you interested? You may of course enter as well as judge. --Rockpilot 09:45, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I will be happy to judge the stories in terms of literary merit. I don't want to judge the steps 1 and 3. --Vahag 17:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

WT:FUN needs your judging. --Rockpilot 01:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

BP's in the BP

For playing the race card out of turn, you lose 100 Bastard Points (you know the rules, you can only play the race card after the first trump card has been played, and only after a triple bluff has been dealt after the flop...unless, of course, you have black skin, then you can play the race card with other people of the same skin colour, and take the trick if a white person trumps your low flop card. Of course, playing the Jackofclubs deletion page wins every time) Standing up for another member of the Bastard Club gets you 150 BPs, and asking for BPs in an edit summary for a comment I would've awarded you BPs for even if I hadn't read the edit summary gets you 366 points. I think that's all the points. Have a nice evening. --Rockpilot 22:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

So +416 pts. I'm satisfied. --Vahag 19:32, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

For the record, Vahag, there's a buuuunch of gyotveranner here lol — [Ric Laurent] — 19:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Are you saying we have a Gay Mafia in Wiktionary? I'm scared. --Vahag 20:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Lol no, we're not organized or anything. And most of them seem to either be shy about it or just not as in-your-face as I am. — [Ric Laurent] — 20:30, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I suggest it's time the Bastard Club and the Gay Mafia forgot their differences and joined forces and formed a clique the likes of which have never been seen, and called themselves something catchy. --Rockpilot 22:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm probably the most mafia-esque of Wiktionary's gays, so I'd say I currently constitute the totality of our Gay Mafia. If not, I'm still probably the most vicious, which would make me the leader of the GM. (If not automatically, I'm not afraid to cut a bitch to make it to the top.) And being that I'm a member of the BC and leader of the GM, it is my opinion that our disorganizations are partners in wikicrime. — [Ric Laurent] — 23:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Financial Times rumours a future buyout by the GNAA. Equinox ◑ 22:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Uppercase of ու

Hi Vahag,

Is all-caps ever used in Armenian? (Like, how in English we can write LIKE THIS to simulate shouting?) I ask because we list (deprecated template usage) Ու (U) as the uppercase form of (deprecated template usage) ու (u), but I wonder if it's actually a "title-case" form (when only the first letter of a word is capitalized), with (deprecated template usage) ՈՒ (U) being the fully uppercase form?

Thanks in advance!

—Ruakh_TALK 20:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Sure, we do write in all-caps and, indeed, (deprecated template usage) Ու (U) is the title-case. Maybe we should do something similar to ch#Spanish for (deprecated template usage) ու (u). And thanks for improving {{hy-letter}}. --Vahag 20:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome! But I'm kind of an idiot, it took me a few days to notice that (deprecated template usage) ու (u) already had a usage note about this . . . —Ruakh_TALK 15:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

(deprecated template usage) հնախօս

Could you perhaps make this decent if it is indeed a real word in (Old) Armenian, as it does seem to be to me? 50 Xylophone Players talk 15:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Sure, buddy. --Vahag 16:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Just saw it as the worthless piece of crap it was and decided to show it to you instead of just nuking it. 50 Xylophone Players talk 22:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

dzhigit

Привет, Вааг. Как по-армянски джигит? Посмотри статью dzhigit, если что-то еще знаешь, добавь пожалуйста. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить)} 22:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Привет, Анатолий. По-армянски (deprecated template usage) ջիգիթ (ǰigitʻ). Мы тоже его переняли из русского, в Армении джигитов нет. И вообще, мы не кавказцы, а больше переднеазиатский народ. --Vahag 05:56, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Я в курсе, LOL. Это тюркское слово, но в Россию его знают. շնորհակալություն за перевод. მხედარი - это просто всадник, мне кажется есть слово ჯიგიტი?

Кстати, Сделал Wiktionary:Kyrgyz transliteration на свое усмотрение, Мадина пока не ответил на мой вопрос, чем он пользуется. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить)} 06:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Да, ჯიგიტი более правильный перевод. Мадина использует какую-то пантюркскую систему транслитерации для всех тюрксих языков, основанную на турецком алфавите. Я тоже когда-то просил его опубликовать эту систему, но он молчит. --Vahag 06:56, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Хороший словарь. Совершенной системы транслитерации нет, некоторые буквы повторяются, лучше уж установить свой стандарт и договориться его использовать. Я составил на основе русской транскрипции киргизского, но пришлось кое-что изменить. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить)} 07:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

{{hy-noun}}

I know you decided against plurals for {{hy-noun}}, since they're predictable. But how about singular genitive, since that's less predictable and actually important to the declension type of the noun? Optional gen= and gentr=, whadduya thinks? — [Ric Laurent] — 18:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind showing the singular genitive in the headword line. But please don't use abbreviations like "gen. sg.", they annoy me :) --Vahag 16:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't like using abbreviations, they suck. I used them on {{ru-noun}} because there's just so much information in the headline if you use everything I added. — [Ric Laurent] — 01:15, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Baklahorani

Hi there Vahag! I was reading about Baklahorani and bumped into a theory that it was derived from Armenian "pagyal horan". But I couldn't find both words here, it says it means "sheeted, covered mihrab" or something like that. Actually that "mihrab" could be something in a church, lika a mihrab in a mosque, not sure. What do you think? Sinek 13:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. The source meant (deprecated template usage) փակյալ (pʻakyal) and (deprecated template usage) խորան (xoran). I found a couple of mentions of a festival called (deprecated template usage) փակյալ խորան (pʻakyal xoran), but the references are too few to understand what it's about. It is celebrated on Monday and has something to do with Lent. --Vahag 16:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Exactly what I'm looking for, thanks a million. Well yeah, I guess its name was derived from Armenian but it's celebrated by Greeks in Istanbul. Sinek 13:38, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

{{hy-personal pronouns}}

Հեյ բարեկամ, anything missing here? — [Ric Laurent] — 22:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Nice! No, nothing missing. Where does this template go? --Vahag 11:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

===See also=== sections, like here դուք (dukʻ) — [Ric Laurent] — 11:59, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Ես չեմ սիրում արևմտահայերենը:

Added stuff from Wikipedia to {{hy-personal pronouns}} and {{hy-personal pronouns/table}}. Modified the transliteration so it would better fit their weird pronunciation :D Wanted to know if you thought that was an ok idea. — [Ric Laurent] — 13:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I have thought about this a lot and came to the conclusion that it's best to transliterate Eastern, Western and Old Armenian by the same system. Pronunciations should be reflected in the ===Pronunciation=== section. I'll go ahead and change your tables, sorry :) --Vahag 14:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't be sorry, I didn't feel strongly about it anyway lol. — [Ric Laurent] — 15:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Դասատուներ

I added an example sentence to դասատու but I'd prefer one just slightly more complex. Is "Նրա հայրն մի դասատու է իմ դպրոցում:" grammatically correct? — [Ric Laurent] — 21:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

"Նրա հայրը դասատու է իմ դպրոցում:" Մի is not equivalent to English "a", but I can't explain why, I haven't though about it enough. --Vahag 13:56, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

It might be like in German where you use an indefinite article for a lot of things, but not for occupations. Ich habe ein Buch - մի գիրք ունեմ, but Ich bin Arzt - ես բժիշկ եմ? — [Ric Laurent] — 15:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I think it's deeper. Մի is not an indefinite article, it means "one" and "some, certain". We don't have an indefinite article, indefiniteness is marked by the absence of -ը/-ն. Thus, you can say simply (deprecated template usage) ես գիրք ունեմ (es girkʻ unem). --Vahag 15:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Alright, so saying ես մի գիրք ունեմ is like saying 'I have one book (and only one)'. I need to study Armenian. It's too cool to not know. — [Ric Laurent] — 16:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, if you say ես մի գիրք ունեմ and then stop, you're saying you have only one book. But if you say ես մի գիրք եմ ուզում քեզ ցույց տալ, you're saying "I want to show you a certain book" or in Russian "я хочу тебе показать одну книгу". --Vahag 16:09, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Crap, I've never seen the եմ come before the converb like that.... I have a feeling the word order will kick my ass a little bit. — [Ric Laurent] — 16:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, you can always come to me for help. --Vahag 16:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I ask a lot of questions. I'd infer based on the reactions of normal people whom I harass about their languages that it gets irritating, so I'll try to control myself a bit :D — [Ric Laurent] — 16:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Several questions

Barev Vahagn!

One day I wanted to create a new entry for the Georgian word ჩემთვის(translation: for me), but I dunno what part of speech it is; So, have any ideas? And there're many more words like this.

Also, why do the declensional templates(e.g. Georgian etc.) have to show transliterations too? If our final goal is to make articles for all words and even inflected forms too, then in the end we will also have transliterations for all words(as this is a part of our goal), and one can easily follow the link within the table of declension. So i'm guessing it is temporary, is it?

And lastly, can you explain what is difference between verb, verbal noun and verb form? or what header should I use when describing a word like this : ვსვამ(vsvam) (I'm drinking), if i tell you that whe just have verbal noun and verbs(I mean words that describe an action, have tense , take object/subject, mood); So, verb form or verb? I guess it isnt verbal noun :D.

And after the last:D, წიგნის მაღაზია & ცხენის ძალა they are noun phrases, yeah? Thx--88.123.102.25 15:24, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Privet, Dixtul.

I don't know Georgian and I don't know what part of speech ჩემთვის is. Probably a pronoun.

Transliterations in declension tables are not temporary. Having the transliterations of inflected forms on one page is very convenient. By looking at them you can learn inflection patterns, without having to click on each form separately.

"Verb form" is not a part of speech. In Wiktionary we use names like "noun form" or "verb form" to designate inflected forms, as opposed to lemma forms, also known as citation forms. For example, კაცი is a "noun", კაცების is a "noun form". Another example, Russian (deprecated template usage) пить (pitʹ) is a "verb", (deprecated template usage) пью (pʹju) is a "verb form". The first one should be categorized in Category:Russian verbs, the second one in Category:Russian verb forms; but both should have a ===Verb=== heading. Georgian ვსვამ is a verb form and should be formatted like this; ideally it should be defined with reference to its lemma form, which is სმა. See how Spanish bebo#Spanish is defined as First-person singular (yo) present indicative form of beber.

If you want my advice, don't waste your time on creating verb forms and noun forms. That should be done by bots, someday in the future. You should just create entries for the infinitive of verbs and the singular nominative of nouns.

I don't know anything about verbal nouns in Georgian to say whether they should be treated as "verbs", "verb forms" or as a separate part of speech.

As for წიგნის მაღაზია and ცხენის ძალა, I think they should be defined as nouns. The first one seems to be a sum of parts. --Vahag 17:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

thx. Hm, as the results of my observations suggest, {{LangCode-verb}} is usually used for infinitives and cuz Georgian daznt differ verbal noun and infinitive(in other words, infinitives in Georgian are called verbal nouns), we have to promote verbal noun(thus make template ka-verbal noun) and delete ka-verb(as it gets useless) or promote ka-verb and stop the practice of making verbal nouns under the head|ka|verbal noun template. So we have to make desicion. I prefer the first.

yeah that's purely wasting time, but u know some inflected forms convey meanings other than what is supposed. and that other meanings prompt me to create entry.--Wikstosa 20:02, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

You're the only native Georgian contributor, so if you think it's better to use ka-verbal noun and delete ka-verb, go for it. I have no opinion. --Vahag (talk) 22:08, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Talkback. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Armenian terms with greater-than

Here are Armenian or Old Armenian terms that use " > " in their etymologies: արծաթ, հուր, օ, լուսանունք, -ստ, նշույլ, دەپتەر, անալի. Do you think you could replace " > " with "from" or "whence", depending on what is appropriate? --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Sure. --Vahag (talk) 17:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

On Wiktionary 24/7

Not really 24/7 considering that I was away for two days prior to this evening. (The hotel had a power cut and they moved us all to another one.) P.S. Work got a wiki for documentation, since everyone was sick of Sharepoint. I feel right at home there. Equinox ◑ 23:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand what your saying, but really you've got so much free time for Wiktionary because England is a socialist country and you don't have to work like the rest of us. No wonder we have so many editors from Scandinavian countries, especially Finns. --Vahag (talk) 23:35, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

If we are doing socialism we are doing it wrong. Hmm, that seems to be a pattern with socialism. Equinox ◑ 00:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Old Armenian example for limited documentation languages

Thank you for the Old Armenian addition to the vote for languages with limited documentation. Because it appears the vote will not pass as currently written, I have decided to drop the provision for extinct languages. I will keep the example you have provided, though, in the hopes of making a new proposal to allow words like you have suggested. --BenjaminBarrett12 (talk) 19:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

OK. --Vahag (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

oǰ-type

Ok subject line might be a bit misleading, but you know I'm lazy. So I was thinking that at a certain point, when my Armenian is better and my understanding of the underlying grammatical functions is more thorough I'll maybe write some appendices and the notes in the titles of templates like the noun declension templates can link to such appendices, like Appendix:Armenian declension/oǰ-type or something. I probably won't do in-depth ones for a while, since Wiktionary's been getting on my last nerve recently and the story is taking a lot of my focus, but I think I might do some basic ones like how to compare adjectives and stuff like that. Grammar is so friggin' sexy.

Anyway man, just wanted to ramble at you for a bit :D — [Ric Laurent] — 15:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, grammar appendices would be extremely useful. Today I remade declension templates so they now display not only declension type, but also animateness/non-animateness, plural type and stem change, if any. All of those could be explained in appendices. --Vahag (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Hm, your characterization of these future appendices as 'extremely useful' makes me that much more itchy to do them. Hah — [Ric Laurent] — 09:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

σῦκον

Sexy enough? -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Substratum derivation per Beekes and Martirosyan makes it sexier. --Vahag (talk) 06:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Truth be told, I sort of suspected as much, but my source didn't say so, and I sure don't want to put my guesses in Wiktionary etymologies. May I ask where you're accessing Beekes? The site I used to find him at no longer works. Also, just to check, you did see the quotes, and click on their links...right? -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 12:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I have Beekes in an ABBYY Lingvo format. I also have LSJ (stolen from Perseus), "A Homeric Dictionary" by Georg Autenrieth, "Lexicon to Pindar" by William J. Slater and many-many other dictionaries in the same format. If you ever decide to get Lingvo I will be happy to share my stolen treasures. But you may be executed for that in Minnesota.

Yes, I followed the links and yes, they are sexy. I may create something similar to {{grc-cite}} for Old Armenian. Or even better, we could have a generic {{xx-cite}} template and feed a database of authors and works to it. --Vahag (talk) 12:36, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll seriously consider that offer. {{xx-cite}} could be difficult. For starters you have namespace issues, for another every single Ancient Greek work has to have its own template written, and they're basically all different. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 13:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Could I just say I love that we have Մարտիրոսյան (Martirosyan). — [Ric Laurent] — 12:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and we don't have Beekes, which proves that Armenians are superior to Dutch. --Vahag (talk) 12:36, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Բնականաբար: — [Ric Laurent] — 13:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

User_talk:Atelaes#κύμη

I was wondering if any of your sources have anything useful to say about this conversation. Thanks. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 09:02, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

սա, դա և նա

Are սա and դա declined in the same way as նա? — [Ric Laurent] — 14:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yep, exactly the same way. --Vahag (talk) 14:22, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, I have a 15 minute project :D

I added a usex to դա (da), not sure if my translation of ծիծաղաշարժ is the most appropriate. — [Ric Laurent] — 14:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

"Funny" is more appropriate, though "ridiculous" is acceptable. --Vahag (talk) 14:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:Armn=I will walk forward? — [Ric Laurent] — 14:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

That's correct. --Vahag (talk) 14:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. It's from a song - so far the single Armenian song I know. Gotta find more... so helpful for learning... — [Ric Laurent] — 15:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding usage examples. By the way, could you add {{attention|hy}} to your newly created entries like (deprecated template usage) պաշտոնական (paštonakan) so I can find them and expand? --Vahag (talk) 15:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I've always thought usage examples are one of the most important things we can provide, but my Armenian obviously isn't fabulous so for now they'll probably mostly be simple nonsense lol. Speaking of bessmyslica, "бессмыслица" как по-армянски?

Oh! and attention tags should be easy. — [Ric Laurent] — 15:35, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Бессмыслица is (deprecated template usage) անհեթեթություն (anhetʻetʻutʻyun). --Vahag (talk) 15:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

What an awesome word... it's so fitting lol. So I just remembered two of the questions that have been floating in my head for a while about Armenian now so I'll unindent. Both of them have to do with the song I mentioned.

One I think might be harder to answer because it's a question of phonology, but the guy's pronunciation kind of makes it sound like ր is devoiced at the end of a word, like in Turkish and Icelandic.

The other is about an Armenian verbs numerous impersonal forms... the participles and converbs. In Հասնելու եմ, there's a line that says "Լույս թե մութ ճամփաներ ուզածի եմ հասնելու", which I don't quite get despite the fact that I know all the individual words except 'uzac', because I don't know what that participle does. Then there's all the converbs, some of which I kind of get, then the subject participle, which I understand to be used in կարող լինել, but... !? lol — [Ric Laurent] — 15:53, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Don't know the answer to the phonology question. As for the second, it should be "Լույս թե մութ ճամփաներ, ուզածիս եմ հասնելու". It means "bright or dark paths, I will reach what I want". (deprecated template usage) Ուզած (Uzac) is the resultative participle of (deprecated template usage) ուզել (uzel) and means "that which is wanted". (deprecated template usage) Ուզածի (Uzaci) is its genitive/dative case. With the first-person possessive suffix (deprecated template usage) -ս (-s) it means "to that which I want".

The subject participle is easy:

(deprecated template usage) ուզել (uzel) > (deprecated template usage) ուզող (uzoġ)

(deprecated template usage) նայել (nayel) > (deprecated template usage) նայող (nayoġ)

(deprecated template usage) վիճել (vičel) > (deprecated template usage) վիճող (vičoġ)

(deprecated template usage) կարող (karoġ) is not a participle. It's formed with the suffix (deprecated template usage) -ող (-oł) in Old Armenian. Of course, the participle ending has its origin in that Old Armenian suffix. --Vahag (talk) 16:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Naturally you're totally right about him saying ուզածիս, that was my typo haha. Your explanations are awesome, though... If I understand correctly, the resultative participle is like a past/passive participle that's a noun? — [Ric Laurent] — 17:04, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, something similar to past/passive participle. In a sentence, (deprecated template usage) սա իմ ուզած աղջիկն է (sa im uzac aġǰikn ē). (deprecated template usage) Մեր նայած կինոն լավը չէր (Mer nayac kinon lavə čʻēr) --Vahag (talk) 17:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Sweet... Although I don't quite understand why that's լավը there instead of just լավ... — [Ric Laurent] — 17:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, for other adjectives you wouldn't need the definite marker -ը. I don't know why (deprecated template usage) լավ (lav) requests it, but he's an exception. --Vahag (talk) 17:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

That's actually very comforting... But I feel like լավ should be informed that it's a strange word. Does it add -ը in other situations that would not be required for other adjectives? — [Ric Laurent] — 17:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I think only in situations like (deprecated template usage) լավն է (lavn ē) or (deprecated template usage) լավը չէ (lavə čʻē). (deprecated template usage) վատ (vat) behaves the same way. But I don't know how to describe this phenomenon. Maybe we can add a usage note if one of us comes across an articulate explanation in some textbook. --Vahag (talk) 17:45, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I'd hit a baby in the face if someone would give me an awesome Armenian textbook.

I recommend this one. --Vahag (talk) 17:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

In your example about 'the movie we watched', is that the normal way one would say that, or could you say something like Template:Armn? — [Ric Laurent] — 17:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

You could say, Template:Armn, yes. --Vahag (talk) 17:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I had a feeling it should have been kinon, but I wasn't sure so I just let myself be wrong for once :)

Do you think you could recommend any Armenian music? Հասնելու եմ is a decent song, but for me, having one Armenian song is kind of... անհեթեթ. — [Ric Laurent] — 18:13, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I recommend Artur Meschyan [1], [2], Ruben Hakhverdyan [3], [4], patriotic song [5]. --Vahag (talk) 18:48, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Arno Babajanyan [6] and Aram Khachaturyan [7]. --Vahag (talk) 18:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, I'll have to watch these on my computer that doesn't suck ass lol.

Hey should I add {attention} to anything I mess with that needs attention, or just stuff I create? — [Ric Laurent] — 19:02, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

No, just the newly created staff. I have collected the rest at User:Vahagn_Petrosyan/hy and I check/expand those gradually. --Vahag (talk) 19:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Jesus, that's quite a list you've got there :O

I like your typo of stuff, it reminds me of this stupid staff you have to make in Diablo 2. Hah. :D — [Ric Laurent] — 19:24, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

:D That's because for normal people there is no difference between [ʌ] and [ɑ]! Or between short and long vowels. No one can convince me ship and sheep are pronounced differently. --Vahag (talk) 19:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Hah, I bet you have an epic accent. But staff is /stæf/, բարեկամս. At least in my accent, I think it's probably different elsewhere....

I feel like I should be thinking of more Armenian questions. The progress is good. Actually now that I think about it, what the fuck happened with those balloons in Երևան today??? — [Ric Laurent] — 19:35, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

They blew up. I blame Mossad. --Vahag (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Լոլ @ մոսսադ. I knew about them blowing up - although it was totally random, I just barely caught it on the news, like it was literally just starting to be spoken of when I walked into the room. But that was all I've seen, որևէ՞ նոր տեղեկություն կա: (Let me just use this opportunity to say that while Armenian is my favorite writing system, it has my least favorite punctuation system lol) — [Ric Laurent] — 20:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Friday*. Damn now I feel all foolish lol — [Ric Laurent] — 20:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I didn't follow the developments. It happened on a rally organized by the evil ruling party, so I'm not really sad. --Vahag (talk) 20:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

lmao

(I feel like we need a new edit link anyway) I'm not yet familiar with said ruling party, but I've just now started to read about the civics and current politics of Հաեաստան. (Which leads me to a quick question: in Սերժ Ազատի Սարգսյանը and Ռիտա Ալեքսանդրի Սարգսյան, Հովիկ Արգամի Աբրահամյան and Վահրամ Աշոտի Եղշատյան... are the middle names patronymics?? I've never seen or found a good description of Armenian naming systems.

Oh, and apparently someone filled the balloons with H instead of He and they lit up when a smoker went to... light up. One of the images I remember seeing on TV when I caught that report was this chick running around with her backpack on fire. I was like... dude I'd be trying to get that thing off. :O — [Ric Laurent] — 20:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

This is a slavish calque of the Russian naming system, a leftover from the Soviet era. (deprecated template usage) Սերժ Ազատի Սարգսյան (Serž Azati Sargsyan) = Russian (deprecated template usage) Серж Азатович Саргсян (Serž Azatovič Sargsjan). Father's name is put in genitive: (deprecated template usage) Ազատ (Azat) > (deprecated template usage) Ազատի (Azati).

In formal contexts we use the Russian system. In usual life just name + surname. --Vahag (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh that's pretty interesting. The historical context really solidifies it... Those Soviets were... lunatics.

ՀՀԿ is the party that's influenced a lot by Նժդեհ isn't it?, the way the "libertarians" here are influenced by Ayn Rand.... — [Ric Laurent] — 20:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, just like your Muslim president is influenced by Marx and Saul Alinsky. --Vahag (talk) 21:00, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Haaaahaha God it would be great if you got Fox News in Armenia, it can be so entertaining.... — [Ric Laurent] — 21:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, I used to get it via satellite but then the signal faded. By the way, watching your channels and comparing them to European (or even Russian) channels I can say that discourse on your side is very primitive. --Vahag (talk) 21:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

It really is, especially in the news where you would kind of hope they would behave. Although I will say that the British are WAY worse in their actual government. Watching them "govern" is totally surreal. It's amazing to me that they get anything done at all. So they all shout and sneer at each other, and here we call each other commies and war criminals and suggest that the other guy is hanging out with terrorists and wants to take your money and ejaculate all over it or something, I dunno... Our politics are fucking monkeyish.

On a less serious note, I'm tempted to leave {attention} on my example sentences so I don't have to bother you and ask every time I think of one lol. կուսակցություն (kusakcʻutʻyun) — [Ric Laurent] — 21:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh by the way... That textbook's section on phonology is amazing. But that's as far as I've gotten so far lol — [Ric Laurent] — 22:04, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, and apparently the answer to my earlier question is that word-final ɾ isn't devoiced, it's palatalized ɾʲ lol sweet — [Ric Laurent] — 22:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's a very a nice and modern textbook. I'm reading it too. --Vahag (talk) 22:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I had to stop before my head started to hurt. But I feel like I understand a lot more of the phonology that was confusing me before. Which is naturally pretty kickass :D But I'll have to read specific sections later. I wonder if she explains the definite article for լավ, վատ, չար... — [Ric Laurent] — 22:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Hat

By the way, did you see LanguageHat's post from May 4? I'm sure you could probably help if you wanted to :) Ƿidsiþ 08:17, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I've replied there. But I don't follow Languagehat. --Vahag (talk) 09:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

And a typically thorough and competent an answer it is. Nice one. Ƿidsiþ 09:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Why, thank you. --Vahag (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Mossad

What the hell was that? That sort of nonsense has no place on this project. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 21:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Stick. No need to introduce you to ass. You seem to be well acquainted. — [Ric Laurent] — 00:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

ունՑ ունՑ ունՑ ունՑ

Հե՜յ եղբայրս, this sentence look okay grammatically? "Կլրովս եմ քանդելու քո պուցը:" — [Ric Laurent] — 01:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Lol, yes, said like a true Armenian rabiz :D --Vahag (talk) 06:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh man, I have been wondering if there was "that kind" of music in Armenia haha... It seems every country has their embarrassing bullshit music and associated douchebags... The Balkans have turbofolk, Romania has manele, America has... its music industry.

But I'm excited I didn't fuck up the word order for once lol. — [Ric Laurent] — 12:26, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

LoL alright man! Tell your language to stop being so unpredictable! taguhi as tak'uhi, but xelagar normal! arnandam as arnant'am, but k'andel normal! Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy T_T I'm just gonna stop doing pronunciation lol... — [Ric Laurent] — 18:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I think that's because tak’uhi and ant’am are the organic developments in modern dialects of Old Armenian taguhi and andam, with regular sound changes. Whereas xelagar and k’andel are learned literary reintroductions of the forgotten Old Armenian words. Their pronunciation follows the spellings, because at the time of their reintroduction people did not have organically inherited equivalents in their dialects. But I'm not sure, these are all conjectures. PS Please, do add pronunciations, just put {{attention|hy}} somewhere on the page. --Vahag (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually that's pretty interesting... I'm still trying to sense a pattern to when the auxiliary part of a verb form comes before or after the converb... I haven't found a description of that in Targut.

On a completely unrelated note, I finished a color version of a portrait of Mr. Վարուժան Պետրոսյան. I can facebook you a link if you like, I think it came out well — [Ric Laurent] — 18:42, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure, send me a link. --Vahag (talk) 18:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Sent it a bit back, but want to check and make sure this is alright (I feel like the 'xosel' might be better placed somewhere else): Ես ուզում եմ քեզ հետ մի շատ կարևոր բանի մասին խոսել: — [Ric Laurent] — 19:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

It's perfectly placed, don't worry! --Vahag (talk) 05:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I worry constantly when it comes to my Armenian lol — [Ric Laurent] — 13:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

On that note, I have a question about how you pronounce conditionals like կլվանամ... would it be kələvɑnɑm, just adding the k- at the beginning, or does that change the flow of it to kəlvɑnɑm, or maybe kləvɑnɑm? — [Ric Laurent] — 14:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

k- is pronounced [kə] and does not change the flow, so [kələvɑnɑm]. --Vahag (talk) 15:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

-Sigh of relief- lol. I just thought of another thing I was wondering - when a word ends in ա, does it still need the -ա- link for making compound words? I made an example sentence with something disparaging about an Armenian neonazi leader somewhere to which this applies — [Ric Laurent] — 15:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw the usex in (deprecated template usage) սիրել (sirel) :) No, you don't need the (deprecated template usage) հոդակապ (hodakap) when the word ends in -ա. --Vahag (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Whew, sweet... շնորհակալ եմ, եղբայր :) I'm sure I'll be back sooner or later with more questions lol — [Ric Laurent] — 18:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

here's one lol

So, there's a lyric in this song that goes "ախ աման - մի համբույրը ինչ ա, որ ինձ չես տալիս" which strikes me as odd because of the "մի համբույրը" part. How do we get մի and -ը? Is that like stylistic, or does it have another grammatical meaning? — [Ric Laurent] — 01:34, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

(deprecated template usage) մի համբույրը ի՞նչ ա, որ ինձ չես տալիս (mi hambuyrə i^?nčʻ a, or inj čʻes talis). (deprecated template usage) մի (mi) is used as a numeral “one” here. You can use the definite case with numerals in Armenian. Like, (deprecated template usage) երկու ընկերները (erku ənkernerə). --Vahag (talk) 08:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The distinction between է and ա kind of eludes me, also... It doesn't look like they're totally interchangeable, so is it a contextual thing? — [Ric Laurent] — 02:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

(deprecated template usage) է (ē) is formal, (deprecated template usage) ա (a) is dialectal/colloquial. Other than the register, they are totally interchangeable. --Vahag (talk) 08:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I wow, two really seemingly perplexing issues, two simple awesome explanations :D Yaaaaaa մերսի բարեկամ :) — [Ric Laurent] — 12:30, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I thought I asked you this like last month

Guess I just forgot to lol. Are այս, այդ, այն declined or are they only adjectival? — [Ric Laurent] — 11:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

No, they are not declined. The declined forms of սա, դա, նա are used instead. --Vahag (talk) 16:08, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Alright sweet. Thanks man. — [Ric Laurent] — 20:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

A question about Wiktionary:Requested entries (Latvian)

I noticed that several of the requested entries have notes saying they come from "spam messages". How come words found in spam messages end up in a list of requested entries? I would have expected, I don't know, word frequency lists or famous works of literature to be the source of requested entries -- but spam messages? Do you happen to know why? Just curious. --Pereru (talk) 14:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Those were added by User:Hippietrail. He likes adding requests for words he comes upon in his travels or reading emails. --Vahag (talk) 14:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, OK. By the way, I noticed that some of the requested words are presumed misspellings. If I can't find them in a good dictionary, and if I see there indeed is a similar word (like tuce, listed there as 'rain cloud'; my dictionaries have no such word, but there is a word tūce 'dark, rain cloud' which is probably what was meant), is it OK if I delete the word from the Request list? (I've just done that with tuce.) --Pereru (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's OK. But you should preferably leave something like "rmv 'tuce', a misspelling of tūce" in the edit summary. --Vahag (talk) 22:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

улей

Vahag, something is wrong with the template Template:ru-noun-inan-й-1 when used for улей. Everything is fine except for the accusative singular. Of course, it should be like the nominative singular, but it isn’t. This template works correctly for other nouns that do not have a reducible form. —Stephen ^(Talk) 06:05, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I now fixed it. Thank you for noticing. --Vahag (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

этимологии

Привет, Вааг. Я хотел обратить твоё внимание на правки одного анонимного участника, который добавляет свою версию о происхождении одного грузинского слова. Он даже не оснащает свою версию источником, напрямую берётся за дело и правит страницу. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 08:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Спасибо, Богорм. Я объяснил ему его ошибку. --Vahag (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Parew

Parew, yes trkiayen em. Yes hay chem, ayl hayeren gë sorvim. Tuk arevmdahayeren gë xosik ? Ur g'abrik ? And finally, thanx for the message. When'll you create the templates for Arewmdahayeren ? Best wishes, --188.58.144.175 18:46, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Barev. Yes Yerevanits em. Khosum em arevelahayeren. I don't plan on creating Western Armenian templates in the near future, as that would entail a lot of research and I'm busy these days.

I went through your edits and I'm sorry I had to revert so many of them. Let me explain why.

• For consistency and to avoid duplication only Reformed Orthography should be used in translation tables, even for Western Armenian.
• Likewise, Eastern Armenian forms in Reformed Orthography should be used as a lemma; Western Armenian and Traditional Orthography must be defined as alternative forms.
• Both Eastern and Western Armenian must be transliterated according to WT:HY TR. The scheme is based on Old Armenian (Grabar). --Vahag (talk) 09:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Butting in, should Western Armenian be treated as a separate language to Armenian? See User talk:Mglovesfun#Western Armenian. I don't oppose it but it must be discussed before being implemented, rather than being implemented by an IP. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Armenian

Thank you for the vote of support on Wiktionary_talk:Votes/2012-06/Well_Documented_Languages. It has passed. Do you want to propose Armenian be removed from the list? Consensus in the Beer Parlour is all that's needed. --BB12 (talk) 23:13, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

No, let's leave it in the list for now. If someone starts RFV'ing my Armenian entries in bad faith, then we'll think of making the change. --Vahag (talk) 09:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Proto-Armenian?

How is this language actually defined? Normally, a proto-language is considered to be the ancestor of a family, but what if the family has only one language in it? What distinguishes Proto-Armenian from attested Classical Armenian? —CodeCat 13:20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

It is defined as the stage of Armenian starting from its separation from Proto-Indo-European (3rd millennium BC) until its attestation in the 5th century AD (the beginning of Classical Armenian). I don't see why the ancestor of a single language can't be called a proto-language. There is Proto-Basque and Proto-Greek.

I don't know enough to comment on the differences between Classical Armenian and Proto-Armenian. I don't think Proto-Armenian has been properly reconstructed, because you have only one descendant. You can get some clues from prehistoric borrowings from Proto-Armenian (see (deprecated template usage) գի (gi)) but you can't reconstruct its grammar or vocabulary like you can do for Proto-Germanic or Proto-Celtic. --Vahag (talk) 14:14, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I mostly wondered because to really make a reconstruction you need to apply the w:comparative method on the descendants. And when there is only one descendant... well, then there isn't much to compare. I suppose Proto-Armenian is mostly reconstructed through w:internal reconstruction? —CodeCat 14:52, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. Probably. I have to read more about the subject. --Vahag (talk) 12:17, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

-tis and -tus in Armenian

I don't know if you are very familiar with Indo-European and such but I am wondering about this. How do the Indo-European abstract nouns in -tis and -tus normally surface in Armenian? Do they keep only the -t or not even that? —CodeCat 15:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, can't help you. I am not familiar with PIE > Armenian sound changes. This essay from Martirosyan's book may be useful. --Vahag (talk) 19:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is! Thank you! From what I can gather from it, sometimes the i remains, usually it's gone, sometimes the t ends up as d, and sometimes that disappears too. —CodeCat 20:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Extinct languages

Hi Vahagn. We have a new vote to allow words into English Wiktionary if they are found in extinct languages in "mentions" rather than actual uses. I hope you will consider voting: Wiktionary:Votes/2012-08/Extinct_Languages_-_Criteria_for_Inclusion. --BB12 (talk) 22:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure. --Vahag (talk) 09:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

h2oiu-?

I'm not sure that can be right. All the descendants have a-. —CodeCat 21:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, please look at Martirosyan, De Vaan and Beekes and move the entry to the correct spelling. I have no opinion. --Vahag (talk) 21:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved it to Template:termx based on the second two references, which seems more plausible. —CodeCat 21:20, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind. --Vahag (talk) 21:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

broken audio file links

Hi. There are many Armenian entries with broken audio file links. Were they existed before? Were they deleted or moved? Maro 15:17, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

No, they never existed. I was planning to upload them soon after creating the entries, but that never happened. I don't plan on recording the pronunciations any time soon, so {{audio-IPA}} should be changed to {{IPA}} in those entries. --Vahag (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I see. So I will correct them. Maro 15:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

That would be nice, thank you. --Vahag (talk) 15:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Wiki Conference Yerevan

Dear Vahagn, I have sent you an e-mail. Regards. --Vacio (talk) 15:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

gay categories

What's the deal with these edits? DTLHS (talk) 23:01, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm putting gay things into gay categories, duh [8], [9]. Why are you reverting my useful contributions? Is it because I'm black? --Vahag (talk) 23:22, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

This is arguably amusing but it's going to screw things up for anyone who legitimately wants to know about Gayo. Equinox ◑ 23:29, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

That's it CodePuss, I'm adding Netherlands to Category:gay:Countries. --Vahag (talk) 23:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)