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Why capital letter?[edit]

Shouldn't this be under new? The capital N doesn't make it a different word. We just capitalise place names by convention. Equinox 23:54, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, in large part because it is linked from many of those place name entities. bd2412 T 02:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To me that's just an error of linking. If we have an entry for "Eiffel Tower", the link should go to tower, not Tower, surely? Equinox 02:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think of it a bit differently as a common part of place names, up to and including country names - more like North than like Tower. bd2412 T 20:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RFD discussion: September 2016[edit]

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Just the word 'new' capitalized as part of a place name. We don't have Big as in Big Apple. Nor do we have The as in The Ukraine or The Gambia. Renard Migrant (talk) 14:50, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, or redirect retarget links to sense #4 of new. I created this entry as a link target for the link found in literally dozens of entries for places with "New" in the name. bd2412 T 15:13, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Then the links should be fixed. That has nothing to do with keeping the entry. --WikiTiki89 17:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have fixed all of the links, but some still show up on the "What links here" page. bd2412 T 19:34, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's the foreign language headwords that are still generating links (at least that's what's happening at New York). Most foreign language headwords should just be completely delinked as the parts are meaningless. --WikiTiki89 19:43, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • Technical note, this can be done using {{head}} if you specify |head={{subst:PAGENAME}} with no brackets, you can unlink a multi-word title. Renard Migrant (talk) 23:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note: New is also a surname. I have added a proper noun sense for this and converted the RfD into an RfD-sense. Since there is another meaning, the title can not be redirected, but placename links to "New" can be changed to "new". bd2412 T 15:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should move it to new, either as a sense or as a usage note. Equinox 15:50, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is already covered by sense #4 of new. A usage note and examples (i.e. the quotes now at New) would help. bd2412 T 16:46, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely delete. Compare "Old Sarum" and other placenames with "Old", "West Jerusalem" and "East Berlin" and other places with "West" and "East" and "North" and "South", in addition to the examples in this thread and the thread above, of "Big Dave", "Little John", etc. The capitalization is added to the full word because it is a proper noun; the word "new" is just lowercase "new". (Similarly, prefixes in German are mostly lowercase even though a noun with a prefix is capitalized: the capitalization is added to the full word because it has noun status, not inherent in the prefix.) - -sche (discuss) 17:21, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per - -sche. Also, as bd2412 notes, this is already covered at new. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 20:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm all for deleting the adjective, but what about the translations and derived terms? Can they go under new instead? DonnanZ (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They can just go, IMHO. They add no value. --Hekaheka (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails CFI, see the case for The as well. PseudoSkull (talk) 16:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This sort of entries will keep popping up as long as the POS header templates automatically link multiple word entries into their constituent parts. This creates silly links like "New Agers" was linked to "New" and "Agers" before I fixed it. I know one can avoid it using head=, but the problem is people don't and no one has the energy to correct all the dozens of entries that link to "New" alone. Thus, deleting "New" will create dozens of silly-looking redlinks. Perhaps the templates should be rewritten such that it would not automatically link proper nouns to their parts? --Hekaheka (talk) 03:24, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Same as The. I actually made a big fuss about capitalization in alt forms about a month ago. See #Chernozemic. PseudoSkull (talk) 06:26, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sense deleted. Many incoming links remain to be addressed. bd2412 T 01:29, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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I have just fixed all those links. Equinox 16:02, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]