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Please also let me use voice-MSN/skype to clarify my (shortened) meaning as I suffer RSI' and so cannot type very well! In the mean, I am trying to get my voice recognition-software running again for everyones benefit, so thank you all in advance for your patience, forbearance and understanding!! :)


Please do not link words within quotations, no matter how obscure. Our policy is not to link words within example quotations, as this distracts from their primary purpose of demonstrating how the current word is used. --EncycloPetey 05:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

entry talk pages

As you have correctly guessed, these aren't used as much here as on Wikipedia. Most discussion happens in our of the four major discussion fora (WT:BP, WT:TR, WT:GP, WT:ID) or in WT:RFV or WT:RFD. --EncycloPetey 03:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


I went to "my preferences"

Signature: [[User:Mallerd]] <small>([[User talk:Mallerd|Zeg et es meisje]])</small>

[v] Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)

That last means I just ticked that little box. User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 07:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing. Let me just redirect you to a little discussion I believe I saw you earlier in which I tried to help (pretty sure it's a noun now) User_talk:Stephen_G._Brown#let tis -- Chinese entry you helpd me with! smiley. See if it's any help to you. User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 07:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

tx x2!! :)--User:史凡 (歡迎光臨!-請也用skype: sven0921為我RSI :() 09:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC) gotbolded..--User:史凡 (歡迎光臨!請也用skype: sven0921為我RSI !) 10:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Any chance of shortening this signature, plus not putting apparent gibberish in WT discussions? Mglovesfun (talk) 23:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Shortening the signature would be very nice, I get tired of reading that sentence over and over again while editing (because it's then not so obvious that it is a signature). You can always put a more detailed note about RSI/Skype/MSN once at the top of this page instead of multiple times on every page you edit; which has the other advantage that if you change your details, or get a new VoIP solution, you only have to update one place. (See also Wiktionary:Signatures#Length). Thanks. Conrad.Irwin 07:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

how2put it here ontop pl?gotit!:D--史凡/Sven - Pl also let me use voice-MSN/skype 2clarify as I suffer RSI and so cannot type very well! 08:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:repetitive strain injury

I fixed the page with [1]. It needs to have "{{trans-bottom}}" or it won't work. I didn't add 重復性緊張勞捐 because I don't know the transliteration. Conrad.Irwin 23:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

tx!:)--史凡/ʂɚ˨˩fan˩˥/shi3fan2 (歡迎光臨/Welcome! 請也用/Please also use skype: sven0921為我/since I suffer RSI!) 06:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


We have a lot of it. Feel free to ask anytime. WT:GL has Wiktionary jargon. Most of it doesn't meet WT:CFI. We feel we can't exempt ourselves from the rules that apply to everyone else, (unlike many legislative bodies).

Appendix:Glossary is supposed to have the stuff that non-contributing users need to know to get full benefit of en.wikt. Of course contributors should know much of it.

Please let us know about any additional keyboard shortcuts that might help. I, for one, wouldn't mind having a few more.

Your technical background is certainly welcome. Any ideas you have for fast and legal (Copyright is in some ways a worse problem for us than for WP.) ways to expand our content in technical (or any) areas is appreciated. If you can give others hints about what generic changes might be warranted in a class of entries you have expertise about, it might be possible to set others to working a cleanup list under some guidelines. You can never tell what kind of thing someone might find interesting for a while. DCDuring TALK 18:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

dorpel = threshold

You were correct, at least I believe that was your question right? I'm not trying to upset you, but I hope you understand that typing with your disability makes it difficult for both parties. Glad if you already do :) User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 19:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Or are you just using some speech recognising programme? In that case ;) never mind, eh? User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 19:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

tx-canwe useSkyp?--史凡/ʂɚ˨˩fan˧˥/shi3fan2 (歡迎光臨/Welcome! 請也用/Please also use skype: sven0921為我/since I suffer RSI!) 20:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC) Unfortunately not, I'm sorry. We have to make do with what we can, I guess. Have a nice day :D User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 08:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for creating the entry.

I changed the translation to makeup as it seems the main entry and make-up - only an alternative. To me, they are both OK and I also prefer the latter.

BTW, I find it difficult to read your English. If you do it on purpose, you may find people will not respond since they struggle to read. :) Anatoli 23:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


Note that when you're doing {{temp|zh-attention}} you are not actually invoking the template {{zh-attention}}, but instead simply linking to it. The template {{temp}} is made for the purpose of mentioning the templates themselves in English prose. You should be using {{zh-attention}} instead. Cheers --Ivan Štambuk 17:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


ps <tt>-tt=?--史凡 - Please also use skype: sven0921 as I suffer RSI and thus cannot type very well! 18:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

no problem


maybe you should find some other hobbies other than contributing to wiktionary if you have RSI, i don't hitnk this is a very healthy one. Not trying to be mean by any means, but i just think its good advice.

y,nstop usin'comp,outofway ofhelthy ppl--史凡/Sven - Pl also use MSN/skype as I suffer RSI and so cannot type very well! 23:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

"Pour un plaisir, mille chagrins" : salut d'Arapaima

Hello Sven ! MD myself (retired), Trop Med in 1970 (never used , since I remained in France, & went abroad only for trips), great-great-mother's name : Beullemans (Sint-Pieter's-Leeuw...), bearing a disease (one associating irresistible need to sleep with choreiform movements at the beginning of sleep : some ...esterase-lack , name : ? : forgotten...) : have'not we a lot in common ? and it does'nt keep me from contributing to WP, though the game " is not a very healthy one", as says the former writer in your mails...I reckon RSI is what we call tendinite ? Could be worse, for exemple La Peyronie's disease...So cheer up, and go on !

My father, who was a veterinary surg., would be glad to know you enjoy his favourite quotation , one he used when getting up at nights to attend a sick animal, & one I also made mine since I had to get up too ( I was a gyneco-obst., & then occupational-med. in my late years...).I think it is from Gaston de Foix. If I fall on a book of good citations, I'll give you its coordo. Am rubbing my hands ( je me frotte les mains...) : to-days word is "bistro", tant pis pour les pisse-vinaigre , je vais donner quelques acceptions et dérives du mot en français. A +, Arapaima 08:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

:) t'asMSNvoice-chat?

like on efferent ducts

we keep synonyms to main entries — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 12:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

y,nwotis sg?[rv=izi,makin'beter=harder.--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 15:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

just a small note

Hi Sven, long time no chat. We'll have to catch up soon when I'm not so snowed under with work. :( Just to let you know, the "standard" formatting for Eng->Chi entries nowadays is:

* Chinese:
** Mandarin: {{t|zh|叩頭|sc=Hani}}, {{t|zh|叩头|tr=kòutóu|sc=Hani}}

Please don't put them under "Mandarin"; it makes it harder to find, as most people look under Chinese when looking for translations. Cheers! Tooironic 22:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi, could you check the official spelling, e.g. for "kakao boon", before entering Dutch translations?

Thanks Jcwf 03:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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i/DISGUST,ASPER USUAL HERE--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 03:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Offensive language

Please do not use offensive language for examples without attestation. - Amgine/talk 01:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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Subjects of posts

Hello there, can you please keep the subject titles of your posts shorter?

Instead of

the subject title

  • Re achterklap


  • achterklap


  • wt=mORALITYbook?!?

would be sufficient in Beer Parlour.

You could have posted the link to the body text of your post. Posting hyperlinks to subject titles seems particularly unfortunate. --Dan Polansky 08:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC) winot:"sv,'duREQUESTcosREASON[here:clutrin'datitl]pl?"itworks[ie wen rsnbl,whichHERE indeedwasdacase;)]--beinlogoreic onlymite getuRSI2uno..welintentiond aspretymuchALWAYShere--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 13:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

tho ifIGURD ITOUT,nextime w/such msgs,'du pl INCLUDE REASON?!ta4notifyin--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 04:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to make sure you're following this

I assume you are aware of the discussion going on at the Beer parlour about you? No offense or anything, but it is pretty hard to understand your writing.  :| I can sympathize 'cause I know someone with RSI, but still... (How do you manage to write in entries? Is it possible you can do the same on talk pages? People are wondering . . .) Again, no offense intended, hope you have a nice day! :D L☺g☺maniac chat? 01:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Writing style

There are several things I have wondered about your writing style. Feel free to leave my questions unanswered.

  1. What benefit does it bring you to capitalize things instead of separating words by a space?
  2. I cannot personally imagine what your RSI condition is like; I know personally no one with that condition. [TRY EMPATHY] I imagine there is some typing cost per letter, as it were. Then, are spaces more expensive than non-spaces to type?
  3. I would estimate that writing in normal English would double (multiply by two) the writing costs for you. Is that correct?ITS PRETIMUCH AN EXPONENTIAL REL-SHP~ATLET CANT OVERTAKE TORTOIS-FALACY Automated translation: "It's pretty much an exponential relationship,similar to the "can't overtake a tortoise[for me=end of the block-fallacy'"
  4. If the third is correct, could not the increase in writing costs be compensated by writing shorter sentences?ICAN RUN ABLOK MOSTDAYS[c functional reserve be4 its rfDEL] NOT A MILE. "I can run a block most days (see functional reserve before it's RFD'd) not a mile"

I have tried several times to decipher what you write, but I have mostly given up. I don't think I can be morally obliged to decipher something.I'V NEVA ASKD BUT TOLERANS['PART FROM CONR.>TECHN.SOLUTIONS "I've never asked but tolerance (apart from Conrad"

If someone did not speak English and would start writing in French, expecting me to adjust by learning French, I think I would refuse and insist that he learns English instead. MYSHRTHND=ENGL[SILINES STARTS:( "My shorthand = English (silliness starts :( " N BTW,IMO FR/ENGL JUSTdialectsOFsameLANGUAGE[N ImeanDAD![SV] And by the way, in my opinion French and English are just dialects of the same language. And I mean that.

Your opinion is objectively wrong. English takes a large influence from German and Latin too. 23:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

So I for one would very much appreciate if you (a) either write in plain English in spite of the additional cost for you, HUMANITIES-REASONIN:INTHE END IWANA GETMYWAY,RESONABL ORNOT[SCIENS PL MAKE URWAY2WT.. or (b) at least stop using capitalized letters and start using spaces. There are still a lot of tricks to make the writing shorter, tricks that you are already using, like writing "yr" instead of "your", "u" instead of "you", "lite" instead of "light", etc. "Humanities - reasoning: In the end I want to get my way, reasonable or not (science please make your way to wiktionary..)"

--Dan Polansky 07:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I don't see how inserting gibberish IHATE THAT OFENSIV WORD[BUTDONT CARE BOUTMY FEELINGS,DOGO ON "I hate that offensive word (same4'disruptiv' i'v heard 1000+ times,but don't care about my feelings, do go on..." characters like ~@<IV NEVA USD THAT1] "I've never used that one"  :{}/ makes typing easier rather than harder. Plus when you create main space entries you write very well, C BP "see the Beer Parlour" making me think that you simply do not want to be understood. ICANONLY SHAKEMYHEAD,KINDERGARDN HERESIGH. "I can only shake my head, kindergarten here, *sigh*" Mglovesfun (talk) 07:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

(Unindent) Just to be clear about my position: I am mainly asking questions, and trying to explain the difficulties that I have with deciphering.INO>NEED=VOIS-RECORDINS "I know - I need voice-recordings." I am not saying anything about your intentions, about why you write in this style WHENDO UGUYS GET STH?????; "When do you guys get something?" I have no mind-reader device. I can imagine that habit is habit, and that you have already automatized the way of writing that you are currently using. I do realize that changing your way is to go out of your habit, which is a mental cost. PROB=ARMS,NOT HED[MYJAW=WIDE OPEN,CONTINUES OFENSIVNES HERE. The problem is my arms, not my head (My jaw - wide open, continuous offensiveness here)" .--Dan Polansky 08:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

  • 某人騷擾我為我RSI /ppl giveme aROUGHTIME cosev my-

jen says (9:13 PM):

史凡-Sven says (9:16 PM): 維基百科的-他們讓我覺得好難過 wt/theyREALY MAKE MEFEEL BAD jen says (9:18 PM):

jen says (9:19 PM): just forgive them... 史凡-Sven says (9:20 PM): 雖然我手好痛 EVENTHO MYHANDS REAL/bigtimeHURT--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 16:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Hm. I don't speak any Chinese. This looks like a record of a chat session. Anyway, I don't understand. V.STREIT4WED Q/very straightforward question..:(--Dan Polansky 18:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Okay. I wonder why you choose MYHANDS DID!!!!![SV] "My hands did!!!! (SV)" not to talk to me. Instead, you are posting a chat record, now also annotated in that shorthand. From what I can decipher: "TRANSLATIN"CAPS--PRAPS IJUST DONTGET HUMANITYSPPL:( "Translating" caps - perhaps I just don't get humanity people :( "
Sven: People give me a rough time because of my RSI.
Jen: ???
Sven: wIKTIONARY[HELO-O?!?[SHIFAN 9.12.9]/They really make me feel bad.
Jen: forgive them...
Sven: Even though my hands real hurt.
Maybe I am a bit slow of understanding, Y! "yes!" but I see no effort on your side to explain why it hurts less to write in that hard-to-decipher shorthand than in plain English. C BP PROVERB "see Beer Parlour proverb" . The savings in the number of keystrokes are minimal, as far as I can see. U'V NOIDEA,NONE,WOTSOEVA,WHICH ISAD. "You have no idea, none whatsoever, which is sad"
But this must have already been dealt with before. Can you post a hyperlink to a website that explains how your shorthand provides a substantial advantage over normal English writing? --Dan Polansky 21:43, 11 September 2009 (UTC) NICE-RETARDED Q2CLOSE=SALT I/WOUND,BUTWELDUN DAN,/KEEPTRYIN HARD![N THAT IGET TRIKD INTO REPLYIN2SUCH RIDIKLES BUL, XPENDIN'FURTHER MY FRes.,inthe end theBIGEST DUMEST MOST STUPIDEST IDJET ISWEL NTRULY IMEMYSELF,4SPENDIN'MYTIME NPUTIN'MYLATIN I/PPL TRAPD VOLUNTARILY INTHEIR SELF-ELECTSD IGNORANS:(:(:(--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 09:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC) "Nice--a retarded question to close, putting salt in the wound, but well done Dan, keep trying hard (and that I get tricked into replying to such ridiculous bull(shit), expending further my (remaining) functional reserve, in the end the biggest dumbest most stupidest idiot is well and truly I, me, myself, for spending my time and putting my latin in people trapped voluntarily in their self-elected ignorance :( :( :( "
Translation provided automatically by Logomaniac (talkcontribs). Very sorry if it isn't accurate, there were a few things I couldn't figure out. L☺g☺maniac chat? 12:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

95%acurat,l.m,BIGTA+SORY[shysmily--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 13:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Then again, why don't you help me to get rid of my "self-elected ignorance"? Why don't you post a hyperlink to a website that explains how your shorthand provides a substantial advantage over normal English writing? --Dan Polansky 07:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Also, please don't insert comments inside other people's, as it becomes unclear who has written what. See Equinox's undoing of your recent revision on the Beer Parlour for an example. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

ino,were exc--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 07:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Sven, why don't you respond to me here? Why have you copy-and-pasted the above conversation to Beer Parlour? --Dan Polansky 13:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

ijust 'dlike dacomunity2get wot=rsi,but'dnot typ'gain,notpesnl[ibeliev i/transparency futhemore,so i'dnotmind the rv2me--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 07:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

hope you don't mind

Hey Sven, since it seems like it will be helpful, I've started translating your comments on discussion pages. Please let me know if it's wrong. Hope things work out for you soon... :) L☺g☺maniac chat? 13:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

ino mind,justfeel sory4ur time[wish we'd SMILYs here..--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 13:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It's OK . . . since it seems like I'm the only one around here that can understand your writing, it appears to be necessary. Keep up the good work tho... and even though it seems like it the others are really not trying to insult you.  :| L☺g☺maniac chat? 14:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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... *sigh* ... L☺g☺maniac chat? 14:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

eh?udid alotn made aBIG DIFRENS[2me atleast;),apreciated!!:)--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 16:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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Recording audio files for discussions

Hi 史凡. Since recording audio files seems like the most workable solution to facilitating communication despite your RSI, I encourage you to give the following a read-through to see if their contents can offer you some help in doing that: Help:Audio pronunciations, commons:Special:Upload, commons:Upload your own work. Regards,  (u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 16:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

new template and category for Brabantian

See my response to you at Wiktionary talk:About Dutch. —AugPi (t) 01:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


Hi 史凡! I made a slight correction to your last edit in verwijzing: you used the {{medicine}} template. When using this template for Dutch words, you should use it with the lang=nl parameter, like so: {{medicine|lang=nl}} . What this does is add the Category:nl:Medicine to the article, instead of Category:Medicine, which is for English words. Regards! —AugPi (t) 04:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC) a-now ic,ta!:D--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 10:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


Just wanted to point out that ve is the ISO 639-1 code for Venda not Veluws as you added to that entry. — Carolina wren discussió 15:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Assistive Technology

Hello, I thought you might be interested in the availability of assistive technology to users with typing difficulties. I have found a completely free online tool that can easily integrate into Wikipedia and any other website you wish to use it on. It works by dynamically predicting words based on likely continuing words and sentence confines. For example, typing: 'Wik' gives a suggestion of 'Wikipedia', which can be entered by pressing ctrl + the suggestion number (it'll make more sense when you check it out), saving many keystrokes. The website seems to have support for Mandarin and other languages as well.

The website is: and there instructions on how to add it as a universal browser tool here:

You should take a look :).

--Demented Ferret 01:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


Are you aware of the existence of WT:ACCEL? If you set it up (e.g. through WT:PREFS), you can use it to speedily create plural and diminutive entries. —AugPi (t) 04:27, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

n,soundgud-but:< User talk:Conrad.Irwin(Redirected from WT:ACCEL)

Jump to: navigation, search Shortcut: WT:ACCEL Contents [hide]--where?--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 04:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js#InstructionsAugPi (t) 04:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
But first you have to check "Use the preferences set on this page" (in WT:PREFS). —AugPi (t) 04:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

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High five! —AugPi (t) 07:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

im k w/tech wen wel expl.;)-btw,as alearnr,do ufind-je/-en pp usefl?[imnrmly anoyd by'em as'avin2clik2def..--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 07:41, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


Please, try to be civil[2]. Avoid calling people names, or better yet, avoid talking about people at all and focus on substance at hand. Stop requesting people "to be cited"[3]. That you have RSI does not mean that you can behave any way you like and get away with it. Also, please do not edit this post: answer below it. --Dan Polansky 06:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

stopcalinewbis'stupid,giberish,garbld'+discriminatin[socivil,imimpresd],thenkumbak[uthink wt=privatplayground ofselectsiliregularsclub,urong.visv oughtBLOKD4thatremrk,nowu'vit,congrats.--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 11:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Attempted translation: "Stop calling newbies 'stupid, gibberish, garbled' and discriminating (so civil, I'm impressed), then come back. You think Wiktionary is a private playground of select sili (??) regulars' club (??), you're wrong. Visviva ought to be blocked for that remark, now you have it, congratulations." —RuakhTALK 17:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I see that you have reposted this conversation to Beer Parlour. Can you please avoid reposting to Beer Parlour the conversations that I start on your talk page, in the future? I would prefer to talk to you on your talk page, which is why I have posted here. --Dan Polansky 12:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thendontcomherebuginme w/aDEFENSofDISCRIMINATION.--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 22:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
My reading: Then don't come here bugging me without a defense of discrimination. --史凡; rendered by --Dan Polansky 06:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I will talk to you again here on your talk page when I see you behave rudely and with incivility. Crying "discrimination" and "RSI" gives no valid excuse for your rude and offending behavior. --Dan Polansky 06:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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Please go ahead and write to WMF that we are "discriminating you", if that's what you are really convinced of. I am looking forward to seeing what actions taken by Wiktionary editors you considered discriminatory. --Dan Polansky 08:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
No, he shouldn't be. Your comments at RFD are regularly rude. Personally, I find them difficult to understand and easy to ignore, so they don't really bother me; but if Visviva wants to point out their inappropriateness, more power to him. —RuakhTALK 17:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
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*pps ta u'al4rec butn,v.considerat,NOT!--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 22:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
more power to not i/wt,great4nonativs:( [butlemegues,dc'dsay2putit under power-ftr,imnolazybut,justthiskindof USRHOSTILITY's UNaceptabl.--史凡>voice-MSN/skypeme!RSI>typin=hard! 03:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
He rides around on my RSI -- it takes a rude bug indeed to not see that this is totally improper. PS: RFD is a destruction place of people's (me only once, that's not the point!) hard work (oh yes, good and helpful entries get deleted there!) mostly in ignorance and silliness by two people, admins, in tandem, talk again about what is rude and upsetting. PPS: Thanks you all for the record button, very considerate, NOT! more power to is not in Wiktionary, great for non-natives :( (but let me guess, DCDuring would say put it under power - for the record, I'm not lazy but this kind of user hostility is unacceptable. -史凡
L☺g☺maniac chat? 14:00, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm almost tempted to agree but honestly, can you all forget what's past and instead try to work on the future? Chiding people for what they have done isn't likely to make anything better if you don't offer some positive suggestions for the future. It saddens me when all that people do is break each other down with harsh words instead of building them up and trying to help them be better. :( L☺g☺maniac chat? 14:00, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

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Politeness is a two-way process; mayhaps if we stop calling you rude, and you stop calling us rude we could all get along. As neither party seem willing to acknowledge the (to some extent) valid complaints from the other, this will just deteriorate further. There's no point in criticising those who won't take criticism, so let's all go and edit the dictionary. Conrad.Irwin 23:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Hear, hear. L☺g☺maniac chat? 01:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Sven, in Beer Parlour, you have said that calling disabled people names has to stop here[4]. Can you provide hyperlinks to edits in Wiktionary in which other people are calling you names? Otherwise, I don't know what you are speaking of, while I can provide hyperlinks to a plenty of instances where you are calling other people names and are being abusive.
You seem to think that you can get away at Wiktionary with what Wikipedia admins don't tolerate. Your Wikipedia users have been blocked in Wikipedia long time ago, with the exception of the latest one:
--Dan Polansky 06:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


Hiya. Great work on adding all those Mandarin entries. One thing though. Take a look at Category:Mandarin verbs. See how all those verbs you added are stuck up the top and are not in alphabetical order? This is because you didn't fill in the pint= field. In the future could you please do this. It saves a lot of work for us having to do it for you. See How to Create a Basic Chinese Entry for more information. Cheers, Tooironic 07:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

史凡 has been blocked from editing. See Wiktionary:Beer_parlour#Can_y.27all_reconcile_this_please.3F for more information, where I struggled to contest this based on the impressions from mine interaction with this user. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 08:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Probably for the best. I am receiving abusive emails from him now as well. Tooironic 19:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)